Ken, I just ordered the Z140 and now await both the Z141 & Z140. Should I wait the results of the Z140 and then move on to the Z73? Appreciate your thoughts. In setting up the qualifiers to your questions, does a Z140+ result then imply a Z73+ result or vice versa? Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. All the best. Larry Harvey Kit #19860 Y-search: S3BHN --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:10:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:33 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anglo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN >

Z73+ and Z140+ are mutually exclusive; one derived implies the other ancestral. But in principle both could be ancestral. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Harvey Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:26 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, I just ordered the Z140 and now await both the Z141 & Z140. Should I wait the results of the Z140 and then move on to the Z73? Appreciate your thoughts. In setting up the qualifiers to your questions, does a Z140+ result then imply a Z73+ result or vice versa? Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. All the best. Larry Harvey Kit #19860 Y-search: S3BHN --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:10:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:33 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anglo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, The information given in http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=19860 is saying other people, in your branch of the tree, are most likely to be along the path I1-M253 -> Z58 -> Z59 -> Z60 -> Z140. There are some statistics that are computed for that, but I don't show them. The next known points along the path would be either L338 or very unlikely L592. But others in your branch are likely to stop before that at Z140. Given that you already know you are L338-, your best bet would be to confirm whether you are Z140+ or not. Note things like Z141 (which is probably tree equivalent to Z140) and Z62 (which is upstream of Z140) are not shown in the suggested paths. Terry On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > ... > > Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 > logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- > so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. > > ...