Edmund Rice was specifically Norse I1 (predicted), and he was originally from Bury St. Edmonds, Suffolk. His biography is extensively presented in the book, Puritan Village, and its follow-up journal article. Only nominally a Puritan, he collected a group of people from the village where he lived, some of whom didn't care for the established church, came to Massachusetts and founded a village, and helped lead it. Eventually he became very grouchy, gathered a few particularly close friends, and went and founded another village. All his life he repeatedly got very successful somewhere, got grouchy and irritable, stopped getting on with people, and left to go elsewhere. Edmund Rice himself was a land speculator who had moved several times between communities, and found that people around him distrusted what they saw as instability. He continued land speculating in the back woods around Sudbury and became wealthy (all over again). I don't know if any of his project have had their SNP's further pinned down. Now, his family group carries bipolar disorder, and (besides land speculating in the 17th century and the obvious cycling mood disorder), a red flag for a family group that carries this genetic condition appears to be insistent belief that your ancestors were kings. This is called genetic memory. ;) The Edmund Rice Association staunchly insists that their line is descended from the Plantagenet kings of England, via the Welsh aristocracy, and a strange, complex bunch of marriages that criss-crossed England. At one time they were admitting on their web site that the Y DNA is Norse, but they insisted that that does NOT mean that their ancestors were Vikings. They also insisted that large numbers of Vikings settled in Wales. From this post it sounds like they've dropped the admission that the lineage is Norse. I guess it would be a brave member of that group who would get SNP tested to further break their clade membership down! For whatever it's worth, my mitochondrial lineage goes through the wives of three of Edmund Rice's sons, who married daughters of Thomas and Anne King from Somersetshire. Assuming they all had the same mother. H1*. Yours, Dora On 3/18/2012 6:31 PM, K S Harris wrote: > Bravo to an extraordinary 7 year old internet investigator! > > > > And another bit of I1 history in Massachusetts, although from a later century: > > > > A.H. Rice was governor of Massachusetts from 1876-78; he was a descendant of Edmund Rice, a well-known figure in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, having arrived there in 1638, and holding various political positions thereafter. > > > > There's a Rice family DNA group and a public listing of many of the inferred Y-markers for Edmund at Wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Rice_%281638%29#Genetic_research> . According to that site, Rice is inferred to have been I1, DYS455 = 8; YCA-IIa,b = 19, 21. > > > > Best, > > Keith > >