Also also from http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=59297 the suggestion to test L338 would be the same. In fact, the prediction is that you would be L338+. The geographic frequency map shown at that link, indicates that Belgium/Netherlands followed by Scotland and then the Czech Republic, are the most frequent locations of ancestral origin claimed by other branch members. So you'd possibly also have one of those places as your own location of ancestral origin. Plenty of exceptions, of course. Terry On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > If the haplotype looks AS1 then most downstream snp is L338, and next most > downstream snp is Z140. > > You could test for them, with higher priority being L338. > > What exactly do you want to prove or confirm? 67 markers are sufficient to > show AS1 unless he is real outlier. > > kit 59297 is basically a perfect example of an AS1 member. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Staats > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:46 AM > To: Y-DNA Haplogroup I > Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1 Test Recommendation Please > > FTDNA Kit# 59297 (Y67) is I1 and grouped with AS1. He is interested in > ordering a test to try and find his most downstream SNP. > His current SNP results are: P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ P37.2- > M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L211- > So that rules him out of I1a, I1b and I1e while leaving I1c, I1d and I1f as > possibilities. Are there any of the 67 STRs that can be examined to help > narrow down which SNP he should test next? If not, what would be the best > guess? > > Cheers! > > Sean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thanks for the information, Ken and Terry. I'll pass this information on to him as he'll greatly appreciate it - particularly since he already knows that his oldest-found ancestor was born in the Belgium/Netherlands area in the 1500s. He was simply interested to learn about the latest I1 haplogroup branches and where he falls in. I'll let him know he has a very high probability of being L338+ and may want to wait for further downstream SNPs to be discovered. Based on his background, do you think there would be any benefit to I1 research for him to buy a WTY test? Sean On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > Also also from > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=59297 > the suggestion to test L338 would be the same. In fact, the prediction is > that you would be L338+. > > The geographic frequency map shown at that link, indicates that > Belgium/Netherlands followed by Scotland and then the Czech Republic, are > the most frequent locations of ancestral origin claimed by other branch > members. So you'd possibly also have one of those places as your own > location of ancestral origin. Plenty of exceptions, of course. > > Terry > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > If the haplotype looks AS1 then most downstream snp is L338, and next > most > > downstream snp is Z140. > > > > You could test for them, with higher priority being L338. > > > > What exactly do you want to prove or confirm? 67 markers are sufficient > to > > show AS1 unless he is real outlier. > > > > kit 59297 is basically a perfect example of an AS1 member. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Staats > > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:46 AM > > To: Y-DNA Haplogroup I > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1 Test Recommendation Please > > > > FTDNA Kit# 59297 (Y67) is I1 and grouped with AS1. He is interested in > > ordering a test to try and find his most downstream SNP. > > His current SNP results are: P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ > P37.2- > > M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L211- > > So that rules him out of I1a, I1b and I1e while leaving I1c, I1d and I1f > as > > possibilities. Are there any of the 67 STRs that can be examined to help > > narrow down which SNP he should test next? If not, what would be the > best > > guess? > > > > Cheers! > > > > Sean > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Considering that AS1 L338+ is only about 2000 years back to its MRCA, that reduces probability of finding a new snp to divide AS1 as there are fewer generations in his tree branch within that 2000 years. Personally, I think there would be more bang for the buck expanding haplotype to 111 STRs. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Staats Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:37 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1 Test Recommendation Please Thanks for the information, Ken and Terry. I'll pass this information on to him as he'll greatly appreciate it - particularly since he already knows that his oldest-found ancestor was born in the Belgium/Netherlands area in the 1500s. He was simply interested to learn about the latest I1 haplogroup branches and where he falls in. I'll let him know he has a very high probability of being L338+ and may want to wait for further downstream SNPs to be discovered. Based on his background, do you think there would be any benefit to I1 research for him to buy a WTY test? Sean On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > Also also from > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=59297 > the suggestion to test L338 would be the same. In fact, the prediction is > that you would be L338+. > > The geographic frequency map shown at that link, indicates that > Belgium/Netherlands followed by Scotland and then the Czech Republic, are > the most frequent locations of ancestral origin claimed by other branch > members. So you'd possibly also have one of those places as your own > location of ancestral origin. Plenty of exceptions, of course. > > Terry > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > If the haplotype looks AS1 then most downstream snp is L338, and next > most > > downstream snp is Z140. > > > > You could test for them, with higher priority being L338. > > > > What exactly do you want to prove or confirm? 67 markers are sufficient > to > > show AS1 unless he is real outlier. > > > > kit 59297 is basically a perfect example of an AS1 member. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Staats > > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:46 AM > > To: Y-DNA Haplogroup I > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1 Test Recommendation Please > > > > FTDNA Kit# 59297 (Y67) is I1 and grouped with AS1. He is interested in > > ordering a test to try and find his most downstream SNP. > > His current SNP results are: P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ > P37.2- > > M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L211- > > So that rules him out of I1a, I1b and I1e while leaving I1c, I1d and I1f > as > > possibilities. Are there any of the 67 STRs that can be examined to > > help > > narrow down which SNP he should test next? If not, what would be the > best > > guess? > > > > Cheers! > > > > Sean > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message