- - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres DF29 is supposedly upstream from Z58, Z63 and L22. We have many DF29 tests on order for the latter two branches, so I think we should wait for those results first before encouraging further testing for individuals who are Z58+. Aaron Torres [[ Considering all the wholesale snp tests you have encouraged, this message is a surprise. I have been focusing on one special place in the tree which all the other DF29 tests under the Sun would not help us, I believe. Question 1: Is there any person confirmed Z58+ but negative for Z59 and Z138/or/Z139? I think such people are extremely rare or not yet seen. Question 2: That seems the only kind of person who could put the DF29 definitely upstream of Z58 --- as long as we still wait to position L22 relative to DF29. KN ]]

I have also read that DF29 is supposedly upstream of Z58, Z63, and L22 based on the 1000genomes results. If true, then isn't the best place to look for interesting DF29 results in the group of Z58-, Z63-, L22-, M227- people, to see if DF29 will split them? I am aware that at least one such person, and probably others, are testing their DF29 status from that group. Those are the DF29 results to look out for from the Z58-, Z63-, L22-, M227- people. Any Z58+ person would automatically have to be DF29+ if the SNP D29 is truly upstream of Z58. But maybe you are saying we need to confirm that DF29 is really upstream of Z58? Terry On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Salles Torres > > DF29 is supposedly upstream from Z58, Z63 and L22. We have many DF29 tests > on order for the latter two branches, so I think we should wait for those > results first before encouraging further testing for individuals who are > Z58+. > > Aaron Torres > > [[ Considering all the wholesale snp tests you have encouraged, this > message > is a surprise. > > I have been focusing on one special place in the tree which all the other > DF29 tests under the Sun would not help us, I believe. > > Question 1: Is there any person confirmed Z58+ but negative for Z59 and > Z138/or/Z139? I think such people are extremely rare or not yet seen. > > Question 2: That seems the only kind of person who could put the DF29 > definitely upstream of Z58 --- as long as we still wait to position L22 > relative to DF29. KN ]] > > >