Captain Smith was Jamestown? That's a bit early and too south. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Gammage Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:26 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade As early as Captain Smith? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <kharris@psych-science.com>; <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: K S Harris > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and > don't > even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know > anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning > anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern > times," > as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. > > Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd > suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost > certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. > Their > Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. > I'll > be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. > > Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows > any early American colonial history? > My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood > celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was > started. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? > On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> >> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >> >> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname >> I1-Yk >> >> Marker identifiers are: >> >> 393 = 12 >> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >> 449 = 30 >> 464d = 15 >> 460 = 9 >> 442 = 11 >> >> 481 = 26 or 27 >> 446 = 14 >> >> 540 = 11 >> 549 = 11 >> 635 = 24 >> 504 = 15 >> >> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial >> governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade >> I1-Yk Z63+ >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. 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