Hi Aaron, Yes, in reference to Terry's migration patterns, the focal point for my deep ancestry (as represented by the dark red color) is Portugal. All of this runs counter to family lore about my Pallette ancestry originating in northern France. Perhaps, some of my Norman ancestors became zealous Reconquistas in Portugal? It's a shame that we don't have more data about the various I1 haplotypes in Portugal. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Aaron Casillas <actapatio2007@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Mark P > > I've mentioned it before, there were several thousands who helped and colonial/raiding settlements along the coasts of Portugual (for 250years),  but without hard scientific data it's been difficult to spot the very exact signatures. > > One thing that I see with Terry's data is migration patterns, perhaps it could be organized visually, like connecting the dots?  (or maybe it's not that simple). > > > ________________________________ >  From: Mark Pallette <mpallette@gmail.com> > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Suebi in Galicia and Portugal (was: New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22) > > Aaron, > > It is interesting that no one has mentioned the Reconquista and the > Normans that helped push the Moors off of the Iberian > Peninsula.  This is another wave of I1 Haplotypes that influenced the > genetic makeup of Portugal and Galicia.  Maybe Marek, who is a Norman > expert, could comment on this topic. > > Mark Pallette > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Aaron Salles Torres > <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Jürgen, >> >> You are absolutely correct! (And it's very good to find someone so knowledgeable about Iberian linguistics and toponymy). >> >> Still, >>  there is a complicating factor - as always. The Suebi who remained >> stationed in Northwestern France seem to have been assimilated by the >> Normans later, who were a very heterogeneous group. Coincidentally, when >>  the >>  Normans invaded Iberia they seem to have concentrated around the very >> area inhabited by the Suebi (Northern Portugal and Galicia). >> >> When >>  looking at Iberian I1 today, we clearly find a hotspot in that area. >> Furthermore, we find two groups - those who seem to have no close >> matches outside of Iberia and those who have matches with Northwestern >> Europeans (French, German, British, Dutch, etc...). One explanation is >> that the group with no close matches outside of Iberia were stationed >> there earlier, during the time of the Suebi. The second group may have >> come with the Normans. >> >> The geographic proximity of these lines, >> then the fact that they mixed when colonizing the Americas makes things >> more difficult to comprehend - Aaron brought up the case of Portuguese >> migration to Mexico and I've seen evidence of the same in Puerto Rico. >> >> >> >> It will be interesting when more Iberian I1 individuals test for the Z >> SNP's, so we can try to correlate the Z58 x Z63 results with the >> historical evidence we have. >> >> >> >> Aaron Torres >> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1Iberico/default.aspx?section=yresults >> >> [yDNAhgI] Suebi in Galicia and Portugal (was: New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22) >> Friday, March 9, 2012 7:37 PM >> From: >> "Familienarchiv Fritsche + Saldarriaga" >>  <familienarchiv@genealogie-fritsche.de> >> To: >> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> >> And >>  it was one remarkable influence of the Suebi on the pronunciation of >> the local romance language in northwestern Iberia that the >>  "s" at the end of a syllable and a word is pronounced "sh" - as it is >> in our Alemanic and Swabian dialect in Germany, the Alsace, Switzerland >> and western Austria. >> >> Galicia and the north of Portugal not only >> is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of >> placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused >> significant higher hg I level than the rest of >>  Iberia! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message