The Alans were/are an Iranian people, still living currently in in their Alanian homeland = Ossetia in the Northern Caucasian area. But re: Iberia, also the Elbe Germanic tribe of the Suebi, or rather the Quadi, along with the Vandals and the Alans immigrated Iberia in 409 AD and settled in the northwestern part, in the Galician and Portuguese mountains, soon expanding to the south to rule the entire western half of the Iberian peninsula, still living pretty independent and undisturbed in their Galician mountaneous homelands over centuries in spite of being defeated by the Visigoths nearly 200 years later in 585 AD. So the Galician and Portuguese languages contain a lot of Germanic words which Castilian Spanish, influenced at a certain rate by the Gothic language, does not know. And it was one remarkable influence of the Suebi on the pronunciation of the local romance language in northwestern Iberia that the "s" at the end of a syllable and a word is pronounced "sh" - as it is in our Alemanic and Swabian dialect in Germany, the Alsace, Switzerland and western Austria. Galicia and the north of Portugal not only is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused significant higher hg I level than the rest of Iberia! Btw, the long-lasting memory of people is amazing: In the central, western and northwestern Spanish population still today, 1500 years later, it is very common to call their neighbors in Galicia and northern Portugal neither "Galicians" nor "Portuguese" but "los suevos" (the Suebi) ... Best regards. Jürgen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski <msskarbek@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Freitag, 9. März 2012 23:34:28 > < Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal or Alan?> > In North Africa where Vandals finally landed after their walk through Europe > we have no I1s. In Spain and Southern France where finally lived Visigoths > share of I1 seems to be very low. I think that both Visigoths and Vandals > were rather R1b. In Southern Scandinavia where they lived before the walk > through Europe R1b has still a very significant share. > Marek Skarbek Kozietulski > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 > > How old would this group likely be? Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal > or Alan? I think that's who would have taken I1 to Spain. I'm not > actually sure the Vandals and Alans were Germanic; I think they might have > been steppe people; Sarmatians or Scythians, living farther south. > > Dora

< Galicia and the north of Portugal not only is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused significant higher hg I level than the rest of Iberia!> Yes, you are right that in this North-Western corner of Galicia the share of I1 is a little higher. This could be linked to Suebi, as the share of I1 is significantly increased in the area of the Suebi expansion in Julius Caesar times - along the Rhine valley up to Switzerland. So Suebi could have a significant share of I1. Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Familienarchiv Fritsche + Saldarriaga Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:37 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Suebi in Galicia and Portugal (was: New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22) The Alans were/are an Iranian people, still living currently in in their Alanian homeland = Ossetia in the Northern Caucasian area. But re: Iberia, also the Elbe Germanic tribe of the Suebi, or rather the Quadi, along with the Vandals and the Alans immigrated Iberia in 409 AD and settled in the northwestern part, in the Galician and Portuguese mountains, soon expanding to the south to rule the entire western half of the Iberian peninsula, still living pretty independent and undisturbed in their Galician mountaneous homelands over centuries in spite of being defeated by the Visigoths nearly 200 years later in 585 AD. So the Galician and Portuguese languages contain a lot of Germanic words which Castilian Spanish, influenced at a certain rate by the Gothic language, does not know. And it was one remarkable influence of the Suebi on the pronunciation of the local romance language in northwestern Iberia that the "s" at the end of a syllable and a word is pronounced "sh" - as it is in our Alemanic and Swabian dialect in Germany, the Alsace, Switzerland and western Austria. Galicia and the north of Portugal not only is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused significant higher hg I level than the rest of Iberia! Btw, the long-lasting memory of people is amazing: In the central, western and northwestern Spanish population still today, 1500 years later, it is very common to call their neighbors in Galicia and northern Portugal neither "Galicians" nor "Portuguese" but "los suevos" (the Suebi) ... Best regards. Jürgen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski <msskarbek@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Freitag, 9. März 2012 23:34:28 > < Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal or Alan?> In North Africa where > Vandals finally landed after their walk through Europe we have no I1s. > In Spain and Southern France where finally lived Visigoths share of I1 > seems to be very low. I think that both Visigoths and Vandals were > rather R1b. In Southern Scandinavia where they lived before the walk > through Europe R1b has still a very significant share. > Marek Skarbek Kozietulski > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora > Smith > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 > > How old would this group likely be? Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal > or Alan? I think that's who would have taken I1 to Spain. I'm not > actually sure the Vandals and Alans were Germanic; I think they might > have been steppe people; Sarmatians or Scythians, living farther south. > > Dora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4860 - Release Date: 03/09/12

You can already see some hits in Terry's breakdown into Iberia from BA* http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/y-Haplogroup_I1_-_STR_Cluster_Tree_with_Geographic_Origin.pdf   And some migrations in our kit...for a generic I1 AAA http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=N49922   My I1 launch into the new world came from Portugual, however there are hits in Norway and Poland.  One branch higher and we have hits in England as well.  (England and Portugual have the longest nation to nation alliance in recorded history).   If the closest match is from to "Kit/ID N49922 has a TMRCA from 200 to 400 years ago." And I have a record of leaving Portugual to Mexico around the same time, then the hits outside of Portugual are anomalous or have a more recent migration to Portugual in order to have hits in those areas like Poland and Norway and be within 200-400 years...right?   Anyone is welcome to take a crack!   Aaron   ________________________________ From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski <msskarbek@gmail.com> To: familienarchiv@genealogie-fritsche.de; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Suebi in Galicia and Portugal (was: New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22) < Galicia and the north of Portugal not only is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused significant higher hg I level than the rest of Iberia!> Yes, you are right that in this North-Western corner of Galicia the share of I1 is a little higher. This could be linked to Suebi, as the share of I1 is significantly increased in the area of the Suebi expansion in Julius Caesar times - along the Rhine valley up to Switzerland. So Suebi could have a significant share of I1. Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Familienarchiv Fritsche + Saldarriaga Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:37 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Suebi in Galicia and Portugal (was: New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22) The Alans were/are an Iranian people, still living currently in in their Alanian homeland = Ossetia in the Northern Caucasian area. But re: Iberia, also the Elbe Germanic tribe of the Suebi, or rather the Quadi, along with the Vandals and the Alans immigrated Iberia in 409 AD and settled in the northwestern part, in the Galician and Portuguese mountains, soon expanding to the south to rule the entire western half of the Iberian peninsula, still living pretty independent and undisturbed in their Galician mountaneous homelands over centuries in spite of being defeated by the Visigoths nearly 200 years later in 585 AD. So the Galician and Portuguese languages contain a lot of Germanic words which Castilian Spanish, influenced at a certain rate by the Gothic language, does not know. And it was one remarkable influence of the Suebi on the pronunciation of the local romance language in northwestern Iberia that the "s" at the end of a syllable and a word is pronounced "sh" - as it is in our Alemanic and Swabian dialect in Germany, the Alsace, Switzerland and western Austria. Galicia and the north of Portugal not only is the area on the Iberian peninsula having the highest density of placenames of Germanic (only Suebian) origin but also shows a focused significant higher hg I level than the rest of Iberia! Btw, the long-lasting memory of people is amazing: In the central, western and northwestern Spanish population still today, 1500 years later, it is very common to call their neighbors in Galicia and northern Portugal neither "Galicians" nor "Portuguese" but "los suevos" (the Suebi) ... Best regards. Jürgen -------- Original Message  -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski <msskarbek@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Freitag, 9. März 2012 23:34:28 > <  Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal or Alan?> In North Africa where > Vandals finally landed after their walk through Europe we have no I1s. > In Spain and Southern France where finally lived Visigoths share of I1 > seems to be very low. I think that both Visigoths and Vandals were > rather R1b. In Southern Scandinavia where they lived before the walk > through Europe R1b has still a very significant share. > Marek Skarbek Kozietulski > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora > Smith > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 5:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 > > How old would this group likely be?    Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal > or Alan?  I think that's who would have taken I1 to Spain.  I'm not > actually sure the Vandals and Alans were Germanic; I think they might > have been steppe people; Sarmatians or Scythians, living farther south. > > Dora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4860 - Release Date: 03/09/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message