I need to make sense of this discussion, found in the list archives by Google. The reason why is that my brother's clone's Walk the Y has L186+ del +, L187 T+, in red, in the excel spreadsheet. The 3rd SNP referred to below cannot be found but I suspect it's a mistype for 17586788 (rs9786391, for which my brother's clone is G+ in red letters, which I don't think means ancestral. It is not clear to me what that means, because you all keep using the terms ancestral and derived instead of plain old a mutation is there or it isn't. This discussion is dated 2009, and so is my brother's clone's Walk the Y. Yours, Dora Smith ---------------------- /From:/ "O. W. Odom" <owodom@mail.utexas.edu <mailto:owodom@mail.utexas.edu>> /Subject:/ Re: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP /Date:/ Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:13:42 -0500 /References:/ <6.0.1.1.2.20090910135702.037dcea8@mail.utexas.edu><003a01ca324a$b450e6d0$6400a8c0@Ken1><004501ca324b$3b331560$6400a8c0@Ken1> /In-Reply-To:/ <004501ca324b$3b331560$6400a8c0@Ken1> Ken, Yes, the new I1* does seem to be ancestral (T-), like me, at ChrY position 17586799, wile the reference NA07022 is, according to Thomas, C+ at that location. Obed At 02:16 PM 9/10/2009, Ken wrote: >I hope someone is encouraging Krahn to now get these snps into the catalog, >along with that one which is derived for the I1 full sequence reference. >Oh, that raises the question: is this new I1 person with L186+ and L187+ >ancestral like you for that snp in the I1 reference sequence? Then it also >deserves to go into the catalog. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net <mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net>> >To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>> >Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:12 PM >Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP > > > > That is very encouraging. We all await the haplotype identification for > > this other L186+, L187+ > > The I1-AS famine and drought has been too long. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "O. W. Odom" <owodom@mail.utexas.edu <mailto:owodom@mail.utexas.edu>> > > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:06 PM > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP > > > > > >> > >> > >> I just noticed at the finch2 site that my L186/L187 SNP(s) is (are) now > >> shared by another I1* WTY participant. I will leave it to the > >> participant > >> to give more details. > >> > >> Obed
You should download and use the website tools Dr Krahn has set up to keep track of snps. L186 and L187 seem to be phyloequivalent to M170 for all haplogroup I. Things would only be interesting if your dna of interest were ancestral for one of them but not the other. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Need to make sense of discussion of I need to make sense of this discussion, found in the list archives by Google. The reason why is that my brother's clone's Walk the Y has L186+ del +, L187 T+, in red, in the excel spreadsheet. The 3rd SNP referred to below cannot be found but I suspect it's a mistype for 17586788 (rs9786391, for which my brother's clone is G+ in red letters, which I don't think means ancestral. It is not clear to me what that means, because you all keep using the terms ancestral and derived instead of plain old a mutation is there or it isn't. This discussion is dated 2009, and so is my brother's clone's Walk the Y. Yours, Dora Smith ---------------------- /From:/ "O. W. Odom" <owodom@mail.utexas.edu <mailto:owodom@mail.utexas.edu>> /Subject:/ Re: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP /Date:/ Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:13:42 -0500 /References:/ <6.0.1.1.2.20090910135702.037dcea8@mail.utexas.edu><003a01ca324a$b450e6d0$6400a8c0@Ken1><004501ca324b$3b331560$6400a8c0@Ken1> /In-Reply-To:/ <004501ca324b$3b331560$6400a8c0@Ken1> Ken, Yes, the new I1* does seem to be ancestral (T-), like me, at ChrY position 17586799, wile the reference NA07022 is, according to Thomas, C+ at that location. Obed At 02:16 PM 9/10/2009, Ken wrote: >I hope someone is encouraging Krahn to now get these snps into the catalog, >along with that one which is derived for the I1 full sequence reference. >Oh, that raises the question: is this new I1 person with L186+ and L187+ >ancestral like you for that snp in the I1 reference sequence? Then it also >deserves to go into the catalog. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net <mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net>> >To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>> >Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:12 PM >Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP > > > > That is very encouraging. We all await the haplotype identification for > > this other L186+, L187+ > > The I1-AS famine and drought has been too long. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "O. W. Odom" <owodom@mail.utexas.edu <mailto:owodom@mail.utexas.edu>> > > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:06 PM > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L186/L187 is not a private SNP > > > > > >> > >> > >> I just noticed at the finch2 site that my L186/L187 SNP(s) is (are) now > >> shared by another I1* WTY participant. I will leave it to the > >> participant > >> to give more details. > >> > >> Obed ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message