The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
getting warmer! - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Take the I1 project and sort on 393 and 460 (small to large). Answer will be apparent. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
As early as Captain Smith? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <kharris@psych-science.com>; <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: K S Harris > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and > don't > even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know > anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning > anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern > times," > as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. > > Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd > suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost > certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. > Their > Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. > I'll > be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. > > Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows > any early American colonial history? > My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood > celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was > started. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? > On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> >> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >> >> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname >> I1-Yk >> >> Marker identifiers are: >> >> 393 = 12 >> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >> 449 = 30 >> 464d = 15 >> 460 = 9 >> 442 = 11 >> >> 481 = 26 or 27 >> 446 = 14 >> >> 540 = 11 >> 549 = 11 >> 635 = 24 >> 504 = 15 >> >> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial >> governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade >> I1-Yk Z63+ >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >> periodically updated as new information is obtained. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I wondered too. Ken, did you actually attend a school where they made you learn the names of the colonial governors of Massachsuetts? Of course there are one or two that a school child should recognize. It's a very relevant question. If you've got a thousand year old group of people of which you've managed to collect eight members who are related from before 1600, and one of them was a colonial governor of Massachusetts, or of any colony, then what you've more than likely got is descendants of a family that was prominent in Norman times and remained so. Or, if this family was Dutch, it gets even more interesting. So the governor's identity could not be more relevant. Inquiring minds are burning to know. Who are the other surnames? And their emigrant ancestry, if they all came to the colonial U.S.? PLEASE don't make us wait until U.S. school children are well educated! Inquiring minds want to know this century! Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt"<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: