Childers is a modal or "normal" 7e. And as you point out, with such a huge family of paticipants, they can share the cost for modest per individual amounts. ****************** Thank you--that's exactly what I need, because I think/hope a recommendation coming straight from you will carry more weight. Although it shouldn't be hard to convince a group of 50 or so to make a very small contribution, one never knows how people will react. I was not able to persuade anyone in this family to upgrade to 111 markers. The problem was I couldn't promise that the results would be genealogically significant and the cost of an upgrade is now $129. I hope that at $15-20 each, I'll have better luck convincing them of the potential value of WTY. Lindsey