OOOPs. It seems I have a message from FTDNA lab about the deletion mutation called L1340. It was overlooked in earlier WTYs because deletions have to be handled differently in the lab. So it is not unique, apparently, to I1d-13, but seen in I1xL22 as well. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Yes, P109+ is about as old as the basic L22+ clade. The only implied negative I can find for L1340 is the WTY person from L813+ I1-uN clade - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:55 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Is it worthwhile for someone I-P109 to test for L1340? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Ken and others. Should kit 196787 test for this SNP or any other? Thanks. Deb From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp OOOPs. It seems I have a message from FTDNA lab about the deletion mutation called L1340. It was overlooked in earlier WTYs because deletions have to be handled differently in the lab. So it is not unique, apparently, to I1d-13, but seen in I1xL22 as well. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Yes, P109+ is about as old as the basic L22+ clade. The only implied negative I can find for L1340 is the WTY person from L813+ I1-uN clade - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:55 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Is it worthwhile for someone I-P109 to test for L1340? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wouldn't bother at this time. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Demeester Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Hi, Ken and others. Should kit 196787 test for this SNP or any other? Thanks. Deb From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp OOOPs. It seems I have a message from FTDNA lab about the deletion mutation called L1340. It was overlooked in earlier WTYs because deletions have to be handled differently in the lab. So it is not unique, apparently, to I1d-13, but seen in I1xL22 as well. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Yes, P109+ is about as old as the basic L22+ clade. The only implied negative I can find for L1340 is the WTY person from L813+ I1-uN clade - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:55 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Is it worthwhile for someone I-P109 to test for L1340? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Weird that it would be found in I1xL22 and a single L22+ haplotype - what would you make of that? On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:20 PM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> wrote: > OOOPs. It seems I have a message from FTDNA lab about the deletion mutation > called L1340. It was overlooked in earlier WTYs because deletions have to > be handled differently in the lab. > So it is not unique, apparently, to I1d-13, but seen in I1xL22 as well. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See: > "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" > "Tree for I1 Z58+" > "Tree for I1d L22+" > "Tree for M223 x Z161" > "Tree for M223+ Z161+" > "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" > "The I1 modalities" > "The M223+ Modalities" > > > at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp > > Yes, P109+ is about as old as the basic L22+ clade. > The only implied negative I can find for L1340 is the WTY person from L813+ > I1-uN clade > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See: > "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" > "Tree for I1 Z58+" > "Tree for I1d L22+" > "Tree for M223 x Z161" > "Tree for M223+ Z161+" > "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" > "The I1 modalities" > "The M223+ Modalities" > > > at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:55 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp > > Is it worthwhile for someone I-P109 to test for L1340? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found a month old message from the lab saying they just overlooked this snp in a number of previous wtys. Because it is a deletion, they said, it has to be handled "manually" with increased chance of human error. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Peterson Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:42 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp Weird that it would be found in I1xL22 and a single L22+ haplotype - what would you make of that? On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:20 PM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> wrote: > OOOPs. It seems I have a message from FTDNA lab about the deletion > mutation > called L1340. It was overlooked in earlier WTYs because deletions have to > be handled differently in the lab. > So it is not unique, apparently, to I1d-13, but seen in I1xL22 as well. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See: > "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" > "Tree for I1 Z58+" > "Tree for I1d L22+" > "Tree for M223 x Z161" > "Tree for M223+ Z161+" > "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" > "The I1 modalities" > "The M223+ Modalities" > > > at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp > > Yes, P109+ is about as old as the basic L22+ clade. > The only implied negative I can find for L1340 is the WTY person from > L813+ > I1-uN clade > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See: > "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" > "Tree for I1 Z58+" > "Tree for I1d L22+" > "Tree for M223 x Z161" > "Tree for M223+ Z161+" > "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" > "The I1 modalities" > "The M223+ Modalities" > > > at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:55 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Overlooked L22+ subhaplogroup with available snp > > Is it worthwhile for someone I-P109 to test for L1340? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So Kenneth, does that mean people should not test for it as all L22 and downstream will be derived? Please clarify.