Dear Lists Herewith link to new Z58 et al. Surname SNP Tree which will replace the Dec 16 version. https://www.box.com/s/vn83q2dksudnpokagilg You should find this one better organised than the previous version and some recent results have been included. Maximus aka Centurion has been very busy on the I1 Facebook page and I have adapted my tree to include his new SNP information. I hope I haven’t missed anything in relation to the Z58 – Z63 sectors. Maximus has also drawn up a very useful tree for wider I1 which can be viewed at this website : http://abbey-roots.blogspot.ru/2012/12/new-tree-i1.html I may be the last to know, but I have been puzzled about the difference in numbers of SNPs that show on Geno 2.0 testers’ Haplotree pages at FTDNA compared with the much larger volume shown for their kits on their Projects’ Y-SNP pages. William Hartley had this to say about this matter on his I1 FB page and I hope he doesn’t mind that I’m reposting: ‘Geno 2.0, What results to see, and where to see them: The SNPs on your FTDNA Haplotree page are the ones that are currently testable through FTDNA. All the SNPs on the FTDNA Project page are the total SNPs you've tested positive for, covering all the different series. If you want to see all the SNPs you've tested positive and negative for, you'll have to go to your raw data.’ So, if this is the case, could we expect that as FTDNA are petitioned to add new Geno SNPs to their catalogue, that those SNPs will automatically appear on Geno 2.0 testers’ Haplotree pages? Or will separate requests need to be made to FTDNA? This question may already have been covered elsewhere, but with information being provided in so many different places it’s difficult to keep across it all. Patience and perseverance needed, I guess! Kind regards Julie Frame Falk

Hi, Julie, et. al. It looks like I’ve have results on 3 of the 4 new SNPs ordered and all negative so far: Z2538- Z2536- Z2535- (Z2337 pending) looks like it’s following the trend... Deb From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:01 AM To: I1-Z58andZ63 Project ; Y-DNA Haplogroup I Subject: [yDNAhgI] New Update - Z58 et al Surname SNP Tree Dear Lists Herewith link to new Z58 et al. Surname SNP Tree which will replace the Dec 16 version. https://www.box.com/s/vn83q2dksudnpokagilg You should find this one better organised than the previous version and some recent results have been included. Maximus aka Centurion has been very busy on the I1 Facebook page and I have adapted my tree to include his new SNP information. I hope I haven’t missed anything in relation to the Z58 – Z63 sectors. Maximus has also drawn up a very useful tree for wider I1 which can be viewed at this website : http://abbey-roots.blogspot.ru/2012/12/new-tree-i1.html I may be the last to know, but I have been puzzled about the difference in numbers of SNPs that show on Geno 2.0 testers’ Haplotree pages at FTDNA compared with the much larger volume shown for their kits on their Projects’ Y-SNP pages. William Hartley had this to say about this matter on his I1 FB page and I hope he doesn’t mind that I’m reposting: ‘Geno 2.0, What results to see, and where to see them: The SNPs on your FTDNA Haplotree page are the ones that are currently testable through FTDNA. All the SNPs on the FTDNA Project page are the total SNPs you've tested positive for, covering all the different series. If you want to see all the SNPs you've tested positive and negative for, you'll have to go to your raw data.’ So, if this is the case, could we expect that as FTDNA are petitioned to add new Geno SNPs to their catalogue, that those SNPs will automatically appear on Geno 2.0 testers’ Haplotree pages? Or will separate requests need to be made to FTDNA? This question may already have been covered elsewhere, but with information being provided in so many different places it’s difficult to keep across it all. Patience and perseverance needed, I guess! Kind regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Deb. It would be nice to think Z2337 will change the 'negative' trend for you, but if not, it may be of some small consolation that you will at least get the *asterisk* status for a while! :) Best wishes Julie -------------- <<From: Debbie Demeester Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:00 AM To: Julie Frame Falk ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New Update - Z58 et al Surname SNP Tree Hi, Julie, et. al. It looks like I’ve have results on 3 of the 4 new SNPs ordered and all negative so far: Z2538- Z2536- Z2535- (Z2337 pending) looks like it’s following the trend... Deb >>

Julie etal, I signed up for Z2539, which appears to have been a mistake for its position relative to Z140/Z141. Should I do Z2535, or go for Z2536-8? What would be the most useful course to take? Bill Hawk, kit #117095 -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:01 AM To: I1-Z58andZ63 Project ; Y-DNA Haplogroup I Subject: [yDNAhgI] New Update - Z58 et al Surname SNP Tree Dear Lists Herewith link to new Z58 et al. Surname SNP Tree which will replace the Dec 16 version. https://www.box.com/s/vn83q2dksudnpokagilg ........

You are in a clade found Z2538+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1xL22xZ58" "Tree for I1 Z58+" "Tree for I1d L22+" "Tree for M223 x Z161" "Tree for M223+ Z161+" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1 modalities" "The M223+ Modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hawk Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:26 PM To: Julie Frame Falk ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New Update - Z58 et al Surname SNP Tree Julie etal, I signed up for Z2539, which appears to have been a mistake for its position relative to Z140/Z141. Should I do Z2535, or go for Z2536-8? What would be the most useful course to take? Bill Hawk, kit #117095 -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:01 AM To: I1-Z58andZ63 Project ; Y-DNA Haplogroup I Subject: [yDNAhgI] New Update - Z58 et al Surname SNP Tree Dear Lists Herewith link to new Z58 et al. Surname SNP Tree which will replace the Dec 16 version. https://www.box.com/s/vn83q2dksudnpokagilg ........ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message