Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known SNPs? On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com>wrote: > > I'm also puzzled as to why the variant at Y position 15477748 (T to A) > appears in my variants.vcf file but not in my "Novel Variants" or in my > "Known SNPs". Since this IS a known SNP (PF5371), it should have been in my > Known SNPs list. Or if PF5371 is not in Family Tree DNA's Known SNP list > yet, it seems that this variant should have turned up in my "Novel > Variants" list. > Matthew Simonds > > > > > From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 06:46:11 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > > > > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate > surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive > for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our > own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ > people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci > in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for > ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone > from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it > says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: > "Approx. hg: J?" > > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two > individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants > (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a > common ancestor)? > > > > Matthew Simonds > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> > Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known > SNPs? > It's there in my "Known SNPs" under L199. It's in the ISOGG SNP Index as L199.1 and associated with R1b1a2a1a1d1. L199 is also in YBrowse, found in an R1b WTY participant by Thomas Krahn and listed as a private SNP (found in 7 people). It's also been found by Thomas Krahn in 10 E1b1b1a1b2c individuals and is listed in YBrowse as L675 (also listed in the ISOGG SNP Index). It's interesting that it has been found numerous times by Family Tree DNA but was given 3 different numbers (L199, L443, L675) rather than being given a variant of the same number, i.e. L199.1, L199.2, L199.3. Matthew > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 23:43:45 +1000 > From: i.m223.roberts@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known > SNPs? > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > I'm also puzzled as to why the variant at Y position 15477748 (T to A) > > appears in my variants.vcf file but not in my "Novel Variants" or in my > > "Known SNPs". Since this IS a known SNP (PF5371), it should have been in my > > Known SNPs list. Or if PF5371 is not in Family Tree DNA's Known SNP list > > yet, it seems that this variant should have turned up in my "Novel > > Variants" list. > > Matthew Simonds > > > > > > > > > From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com > > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 06:46:11 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > > > > > > > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate > > surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive > > for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our > > own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ > > people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > > > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci > > in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for > > ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone > > from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it > > says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > > > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > > > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: > > "Approx. hg: J?" > > > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two > > individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants > > (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a > > common ancestor)? > > > > > > Matthew Simonds > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message