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    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P
    2. Kenneth Nordtvedt

    3. If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert is in this clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, CTS6364+, L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, > L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 > folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >> CTS6364+ >> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Simonds >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >> >> >> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >> Matthew Simonds >> >> >> >>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> Hi Larry, >>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >>> Best, >>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>> Mayka >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >>> I >>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>> positives/negatives. >>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>> are >>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>> moment >>> I >>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>> requested >>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>> >>> >>> >>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/21/2014 01:01:18
    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P
    2. Carol Gilbert

    3. Gilbert is his adoptive surname he is down as 267833 ??(unknown) Ilfracombe, Devon, UK in I1 haplogroup project. he has tested 111 markers. Carol Gilbert On 21 May 2014, at 14:01, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. > > Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert is > in this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, CTS6364+, > L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > >> Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, >> L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 >> folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? >> Carol Gilbert >> okusgold@me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >>> CTS6364+ >>> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Simonds >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> >>> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >>> Matthew Simonds >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >>>> Best, >>>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>>> Mayka >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >>>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >>>> I >>>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>>> positives/negatives. >>>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >>>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>>> are >>>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>>> moment >>>> I >>>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>>> requested >>>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >>>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/21/2014 08:15:22
    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P
    2. Kenneth Nordtvedt

    3. I don't see 267833 being I1-P; just a CTS6364+ L69+ generic right now. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Gilbert is his adoptive surname he is down as 267833 ??(unknown) Ilfracombe, Devon, UK in I1 haplogroup project. he has tested 111 markers. Carol Gilbert On 21 May 2014, at 14:01, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. > > Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert > is > in this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, > CTS6364+, > L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > >> Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, >> L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 >> folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? >> Carol Gilbert >> okusgold@me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >>> CTS6364+ >>> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Simonds >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> >>> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >>> Matthew Simonds >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your >>>> research? >>>> Best, >>>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>>> Mayka >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his >>>> novel >>>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are >>>> CTS6364+). >>>> I >>>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>>> positives/negatives. >>>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He >>>> is >>>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>>> are >>>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>>> moment >>>> I >>>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>>> requested >>>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as >>>> some >>>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/21/2014 03:36:05