> From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net > To: jdf4072@gmail.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 08:52:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] YFull Interpretation - new branches in I1-L803 > > BigY coverage could be the explanation. BigY does not just measure 10 > million sites in a continuous row. They measure many hundreds, indeed > thousands, of Y segments each hundreds of sites long but separated from the > next segment by a stretch of unread sites. I checked my coverage and > another I have and we both do not cover that site. My coverage starts at > 14888279 and the other fellow's coverage starts at 14888220. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Frame Falk > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00 AM > To: I1-Z58andZ63 Project ; Y-DNA Haplogroup I > Subject: [yDNAhgI] YFull Interpretation - new branches in I1-L803 > > Dear Lists > > Many thanks to the YFull team for their wonderful interpretation service. > Some kits have not had processing finalised as yet, but the YFull > Experimental Tree suggests it might be timely for me to post an update for > the I1-L803 sector. Thus far, nine of our 15 Big Y testers are members of > the I1-Z60 project at YFull. > > Herewith a link to a chart showing the new branches downstream of I1-L803 as > determined by the YFull Team: https://app.box.com/s/w9qhdt8b1hxaas37cqwp > > I have added some notes to the chart to show most distant ancestor timeframe > and geographical locations, but will mention an important point here as > well: > > Family Tree DNA did not report any of our 15 Big Y testers as being derived > for the novel variant 14888161. However, when the YFull Team analysed the > BAMs they identified four L803 men with reads at this position. YFull named > the new SNP Y3239. > > The read details at 14888161 are as follows: > > Kit 181118 / YF01508: 3 reads = 3T: C>T > Kit 150485 / YF01541: 3 reads = 3T: C>T > Kit 136903 / YF01597: 2 reads = 2T: C>T > Kit 84205 / YF01603: 1 read = 1T: C>T > > As can be seen on the chart, and despite the scant number of reads, Y3239 > (14888161) appears to be an important gateway SNP to further branches > downstream. Unfortunately, with the ‘no reads’ at this position, we cannot > determine if Hamilton 8048 / YF01507, Scruggs 16435 / YF01547, and Frame > 110238 / YF01617 are L803* or Y3239* (another Hamilton C kit is waiting for > a BAM). Has anyone else faced this situation? If so, would FTDNA likely be > open to rechecking these kits at 14888161? I don’t have any idea of the > the Lab process so this may not be feasible, but I sure would like something > definite rather than being left with this ambiguity. There are other L803 > members in the Project who did not test Big Y that might also benefit if > they could test Y3239 (14888161) – however, what would be my chances of > requesting FTDNA to add this SNP to their catalogue when it didn’t even get > reported for some of these L803s as a Big Y novel variant? I am a bit > bewildered by this situation. > > The other branch below L803 is L802 – both of these SNPs discovered in Kit > 64529’s WTY. Now with Big Y we have another branch parallel to L802 > (Y3239) that seems to be taking in many of the L803 families. The maximum > GD between any L803 men is 18 at 111 markers – one L802+ and the other > Y3239+. I highlighted them with red arrows on the chart. Interestingly, > there is only GD 3 between the other L802 and the family of a Y3238 man – > also shown with red arrows. Huge variation. > > Once again, my sincere appreciation to the YFull Team. > > Kind regards > Julie Frame Falk (Admin) > Frame / Freame / Fremault DNA Project > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message