Ken, I just discovered your I-P109 tree out of the BigY. Pretty interesting. You can see attached what we have done in the I-P109 project (the slide is also visible on the I1 facebook group). This is a merge of Chromo2 results and the BigY (from BED and VCF files). We have been focusing on the common SNPs rather than the private ones. Note that all the positions needs to be confirmed as not all members have been showing any results on them. It is therefore not possible to conclude if they are positive or negative (although we tend to think they would be negative). We will try to confirm them through the YFull interpretation. Your tree is very similar with 1 main difference: You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? Also there is a couple of positions that are actually existing SNPs like (from Chromo2, so unknown for FTDNA): 21878855 = S23679 21423149 = S23062 Also, not appearing in your tree, there is some known SNPs that appear unique to some individuals. But this is impossible to capture from the new novel variant files, you would need to look at the VCF files. Regards, Nicolas.

Ken, I just discovered your I-P109 tree out of the BigY. Pretty interesting. You can see attached what we have done in the I-P109 project (the slide is also visible on the I1 facebook group). This is a merge of Chromo2 results and the BigY (from BED and VCF files). We have been focusing on the common SNPs rather than the private ones. Note that all the positions needs to be confirmed as not all members have been showing any results on them. It is therefore not possible to conclude if they are positive or negative (although we tend to think they would be negative). We will try to confirm them through the YFull interpretation. Your tree is very similar with 1 main difference: You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? Also there is a couple of positions that are actually existing SNPs like (from Chromo2, so unknown for FTDNA): 21878855 = S23679 21423149 = S23062 Also, not appearing in your tree, there is some known SNPs that appear unique to some individuals. But this is impossible to capture from the new novel variant files, you would need to look at the VCF files. Regards, Nicolas.

Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 6:36 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I-P109 sub tree You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? [[Yes, indeed it does survive weeding and unites those four. I just missed it. As is pretty clear, P109 tree is preliminary; it does not include unique NVs for many individuals yet. KN]]