Are you a member of the L22 group at Yfull? If so, you just enter those positions separated by a comma in the Ybrowser, and then a group search is made for those positions, all at once. I am not member of the L22 group though so I cant do that for you. > From: nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:10:19 +0200 > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > After some struggle in Excel with 21 BigY results, I think I have identified some new positions potentially splitting P109 further but need help to see if no other kit, outside P109, have tested positive to them: > > 17819410 > 8558415 > 15382323 > 17187676 > 8658625 > 8827462 > 23803598 > 13659800 > 16481392 > 18075053 > 23283820 > 22319705 > > In addition PF5371, S15929, P89, L18, PR2182, Y783, Z3408, L1437, CTS7130, S23062, S23679, PR830 and PF5498 also seem to split P109. > > Has anybody some info from higher up in the tree, on both the positions and SNP mentioned that could help confirming or not these hypothesis? > > Thanks. > Nicolas. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for idea. My results are not yet available at Yfull but I will ask to be a member of L22 as soon as they are in place. N. > From: e_hound@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:52:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > Are you a member of the L22 group at Yfull? If so, you just enter those positions separated > by a comma in the Ybrowser, and then a group search is made for those positions, all at once. > > I am not member of the L22 group though so I cant do that for you. > > > > > From: nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:10:19 +0200 > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > > > After some struggle in Excel with 21 BigY results, I think I have identified some new positions potentially splitting P109 further but need help to see if no other kit, outside P109, have tested positive to them: > > > > 17819410 > > 8558415 > > 15382323 > > 17187676 > > 8658625 > > 8827462 > > 23803598 > > 13659800 > > 16481392 > > 18075053 > > 23283820 > > 22319705 > > > > In addition PF5371, S15929, P89, L18, PR2182, Y783, Z3408, L1437, CTS7130, S23062, S23679, PR830 and PF5498 also seem to split P109. > > > > Has anybody some info from higher up in the tree, on both the positions and SNP mentioned that could help confirming or not these hypothesis? > > > > Thanks. > > Nicolas. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: "Approx. hg: J?" How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a common ancestor)? Matthew Simonds

I'm also puzzled as to why the variant at Y position 15477748 (T to A) appears in my variants.vcf file but not in my "Novel Variants" or in my "Known SNPs". Since this IS a known SNP (PF5371), it should have been in my Known SNPs list. Or if PF5371 is not in Family Tree DNA's Known SNP list yet, it seems that this variant should have turned up in my "Novel Variants" list. Matthew Simonds > From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 06:46:11 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: "Approx. hg: J?" > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a common ancestor)? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is quite common Matthew. FTDNA use to label these SNPs that mutated independently in different Haplogroups at different times as PF5371.1, PF5371.2 for example. On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate > surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive > for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our > own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ > people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci in > 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for > ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone > from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it > says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: "Approx. > hg: J?" > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two individuals > in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants (i.e. the > two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a common > ancestor)? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >