Today I recieved a email notifying me that Ancestry will be retiring Y-DNA and MT-DNA testing and that I can download my raw data as a CSV file prior to September 5, 2014 While I have transferred and extended my test at FTDNA most of the Surname tests are still at Ancestry with only a few at FTDNA. The recent results at FTDNA for Big-Y and the changes to the tree have left me less than confident in the commitment to Y-DNA testing at FTDNA. Y-Seq looks like a alternitive for the Ancestry tests to be extended and I have been trying to understand the I-P109 results in Kens tree from 20 May 2014 so I can recomend that those who tested at Ancestry can test SNP to confirm P109 and deturmine a subclade with in the P109 group for the Hulse Surname. It appears that this surname has two main groups one with a 13 at DYS393 and the other with a 14 at DYS393. the age calculated by Ken to a MRCA was around 900 years for the groups. I have been trying to identify a group of SNP down stream from P109 but not so far down stream that they appear to be private for the individule where they were found. so far tests with a 1 step difference at 67 markers have not matched to the SNP for the individules where they were found. This announcemnt by Ancestry is giving me a new sence of urgency to make progress here. Allen B1424