Thank you ken that helps to clear that up. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:24 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? No; they are now clearly known snps, having been found in one or more BigY results. They are identified in the sense that their positions on the y chromosome are given. They are just NEW. Big Y looks at approximately 10 million locations on the Y. So everyone will have newly discovered snps unique right now to himself. As more very close male relatives are tested, these downstream novel variants found in your dna will also be found in your close male relatives. That's the whole idea --- find new snps which allows pushing the Y tree closer and closer to the present. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:11 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are unknown unidentified snps? Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from L623+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ralph, Of your listed Novel Variants, you have 90 new SNP locations that appear not to be listed in other I-M223 members' results. Of those 90, you have S16171, S16500, S16912 and S22215 that were found in a Chromo2 tester and named by BritainsDNA. What we need is another L623+ person to test Big Y to give up that comparison in the L623 branch. At present I can only compare you to those from other branches which help to identify the SNPs that are upstream of where L623 split off. Wayne On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Ralph Games <gamesri@comcast.net> wrote: > Thank you ken that helps to clear that up. > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:24 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > No; they are now clearly known snps, having been found in one or more BigY > results. They are identified in the sense that their positions on the y > chromosome are given. They are just NEW. > > Big Y looks at approximately 10 million locations on the Y. So everyone > will have newly discovered snps unique right now to himself. As more very > close male relatives are tested, these downstream novel variants found in > your dna will also be found in your close male relatives. That's the > whole > idea --- find new snps which allows pushing the Y tree closer and closer > to the present. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Games > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:11 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are > unknown unidentified snps? > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been > recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a > McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? > > Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel > variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from > L623+? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Games > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of > this type of SNP? > If you would explain please. > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. > Roberts > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Kenneth, > > We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed > on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. > He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known > SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of > his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I > have emailed FTDNA about it. > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > > > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > > release. > > > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >