I agree with Peter. Please move on. Thank you kindly. Best wishes, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Peter Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:04 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book This is all getting a little boring can this subject be dropped? I don't want lessons in English I just want to gain an understanding of DNA If I want to read the book, I will, if don't then I will move on, the book is being recommendation it isn't complusory reading lets not loose posters over such a silly issue. Regards Peter This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). It may contain personal and confidential information and as such may be protected by the Data Protection Acts 1984 and 1998. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you must not disclose, copy or distribute its contents to any other person nor use its contents in any way or you may be acting unlawfully you must delete the email from your system. Unless explicitly and conspicuously designated as contract, this e-mail does not constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment, or an acceptance of a contract offer. This e-mail does not constitute a consent to the use of sender's contact information for direct marketing purposes or for transfers of data to third parties. -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: 29 June 2014 10:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book Sorry, I used a homophone . . . meant censure rather than censor. John Beardsley -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 5:27 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book Debbie, Fortunately you, alone, can't censor the book, so that's not the issue. The thread began with a one sentence recommendation to read the book and did not include a review or analysis of the book. So your subsequent outburst of miscelaneous slander seems over the top and rather dark to me at least. But let's hope the brouha will wet the appetites of some and actually lead to more reading the book. I notice that among the folks on the book jacket saying positive things about their reaction to the book are hard scientists James D Watson and Edward O Wilson, and even soft scientist Lionel Tiger. Author Nicholas Wade was educated at England's Cambridge University in Natural Science, he was reporter or editor at the well known journals Science and Nature, and eventually science reporter/editor at the New York Times. So his was a long career of working at the interface of science and the general wider public with interest in science matters. The book was not meant to be a "peer reviewed" scientific article, for the little that has come to mean in today's world. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Kennett Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 1:54 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book John I am not in the least trying to censor the book. Note that Ken recommended the book to the list despite admitting that he hadn't even finished reading it. As I've tried to explain science is advanced by scientists doing research and writing scientific papers that are published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. It is a free world and if a reporter manages to get a commisssion to write on a subject in which he has no academic training or expertise then so be it. If people choose to read his book then that is their choice. It is my choice not to read such a book. I prefer to spend my time reading the original scientific papers rather than someone else's misinterpretation of those papers. Other people have already commented on the shortcomings of the book and its lack of scientific rigour, and I merely thought it would be helpful for people to read those reviews if they wanted so that they can perhaps try and understand the scientific viewpoint if they do choose to read the book. These authors have explained the problems with the book far more eloquently than I can. I provided those links for the benefit of all list members and not just Americans. Nationality should have nothing to do with it. The author of the book is after all a Brit. As you will recall, I also provided a link to a scientific paper by Guido Barbujani "Human Races: Classifying People vs Understanding Diversity" which gives a good summary of the current scientific thinking on the subject of "race". I've provided a TinyURL below as the link got broken up by Rootsweb so perhaps people had difficulty accessing the paper: http://tinyurl.com/mvdt487 Perhaps you might like to have a look at this paper with an open mind and let us know what you think. If you know of any scientific papers that offer a different view perhaps you can share them with us. Can I suggest that we focus our discussions on the science and not on emotions. 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