Ray, I am negative for S2293, so I think equating S2293 with S5619 is a typo in Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree. He probably meant to only put AS2293 parallel to DS5619 rather than having it in 2 places. Is that right, Ken? On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks Ken > Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the BigY > results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general > recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you also > did the test for comparisons.. > I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so > nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site there's > some frustration with FTDNA. > I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few > months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like > there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you > get to S5619. > Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. > You are appreciated > > Thank You > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. > > My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no AS2 > Has done the BigY. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Jenkins > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Obed > I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test > Kit and we get a result. > I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows > That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. > I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the > most > > I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living > In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test > > Thank you. > Ray Jenkins > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Obed W Odom > Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for > S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for > S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ > Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two > Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for > S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also > Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Hi > > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > > > Ray Jenkins > > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess there was a typo between my online version and my corrected home version. See update. Indeed a snp should not appear twice. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:40 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, I am negative for S2293, so I think equating S2293 with S5619 is a typo in Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree. He probably meant to only put AS2293 parallel to DS5619 rather than having it in 2 places. Is that right, Ken? On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks Ken > Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the > BigY > results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general > recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you > also > did the test for comparisons.. > I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so > nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site > there's > some frustration with FTDNA. > I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few > months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like > there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you > get to S5619. > Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. > You are appreciated > > Thank You > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. > > My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no > AS2 > Has done the BigY. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Jenkins > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Obed > I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my > test > Kit and we get a result. > I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows > That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. > I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the > most > > I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living > In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test > > Thank you. > Ray Jenkins > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Obed W Odom > Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for > S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for > S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ > Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two > Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for > S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also > Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Hi > > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > > > Ray Jenkins > > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: > > 06/14/14 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message