Guys, I am sorry to jump in this brito-american debate but I feel from an neutral stand point that this looks like all against Debbie ... becoming all Americans against Debbie ... because she dares going against outrageous affirmations ... which seems to be, her, main stream thinking. If you took the time to read her arguments and respond on them instead of using below waste techniques all this would be far more interesting. Wake up ... if you want to make historical analogies, more recent in time, this looks pretty much the same arguments than Hitler was pushing forward. Biasing scientifical results to suits own ideology. Provocation is good to open debates, but it needs to be scientifically argumented. I too have been missing the list but I am kind of desapointed, since it came back online: all but 1 (ok may be 2) posts on this thread was more about feelings and suppositions that science and fact. So guys stay focused please! Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: John <jgdb@twcny.rr.com> Date:29/06/2014 20:18 (GMT+01:00) To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book Debbie, On behalf of my fellow Americans I'd like to object to your repeated digs at our ability to read and make intelligent analysis of controversial subject matter. Intentionally or not, YOU are presenting a very stereotypical image of your own nationality. Mr. Wades book will have followers and detractors over here no different than on your side of the pond. Rather than so inelegantly trying to censor his book, which I believe from your own statement you have not bothered to read, it might be better for your cause to present well reasoned counter-points to the assertions he makes in the book. John Beardsley an intelligent, open minded American -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Kennett Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:17 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book In Nicholas Wade's feeble attempt to rebut his critics he says "I don't care what the science may say because I'll never change my position". I think just about says it all. If he wishes to ignore the scientific evidence to advance his own personal beliefs then that's entirely his choice. I hadn't realised he was British. It's perhaps not surprising that he's ended up in America. He would find much less tolerance of his views over here. There's a very good article here by Kenan Malik on why both sides of the debate are wrong: https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/why-both-sides-are-wrong-in-the- race-debate/ Debbie -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Obed W Odom Sent: 29 June 2014 14:35 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book I think the review by the NY Times was somewhat more charitable. There seems to be no question, though, that Wade's book has hit a raw nerve in some circles of his fellow Brits. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My dear distant cousin Nicolas, I address you this way because you are on this forum. But Nicolas, you need some work with your English. I see the quote, "using below waste techniques, " Do you mean waist for waste? So who is using such techniques? Could it be you who totally from out of the blue says that people who are pushing for freedom to read and make independent judgements are pushing Hitler's agenda? Give me a break! Dan On 6/29/2014 3:03 PM, nicolas.taban wrote: > Guys, > > I am sorry to jump in this brito-american debate but I feel from an neutral stand point that this looks like all against Debbie ... becoming all Americans against Debbie ... because she dares going against outrageous affirmations ... which seems to be, her, main stream thinking. > > If you took the time to read her arguments and respond on them instead of using below waste techniques all this would be far more interesting. > > Wake up ... if you want to make historical analogies, more recent in time, this looks pretty much the same arguments than Hitler was pushing forward. Biasing scientifical results to suits own ideology. > Provocation is good to open debates, but it needs to be scientifically argumented. > > I too have been missing the list but I am kind of desapointed, since it came back online: all but 1 (ok may be 2) posts on this thread was more about feelings and suppositions that science and fact. > > So guys stay focused please! > > Mvh/Regards > > Nicolas Taban > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John <jgdb@twcny.rr.com> > Date:29/06/2014 20:18 (GMT+01:00) > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book > > Debbie, > > On behalf of my fellow Americans I'd like to object to your repeated digs at > our ability to read and make intelligent analysis of controversial subject > matter. Intentionally or not, YOU are presenting a very stereotypical image > of your own nationality. > > Mr. Wades book will have followers and detractors over here no different > than on your side of the pond. Rather than so inelegantly trying to censor > his book, which I believe from your own statement you have not bothered to > read, it might be better for your cause to present well reasoned > counter-points to the assertions he makes in the book. > > John Beardsley > an intelligent, open minded American > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie Kennett > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:17 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book > > In Nicholas Wade's feeble attempt to rebut his critics he says "I don't care > what the science may say because I'll never change my position". I think > just about says it all. If he wishes to ignore the scientific evidence to > advance his own personal beliefs then that's entirely his choice. I hadn't > realised he was British. It's perhaps not surprising that he's ended up in > America. He would find much less tolerance of his views over here. > > There's a very good article here by Kenan Malik on why both sides of the > debate are wrong: > > https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/why-both-sides-are-wrong-in-the- > race-debate/ > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Obed W Odom > Sent: 29 June 2014 14:35 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book > > I think the review by the NY Times was somewhat more charitable. There seems > to be no question, though, that Wade's book has hit a raw nerve in some > circles of his fellow Brits. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >