"I will reserve judgement on Nicholas Wade until such time as he is able to publish his research in a legitimate scientific journal but I'm not going to waste my time reading his pseudoscientific book." He's not a scientist so that is unlikely to happen. He's a science journalist. But sometimes science journalists are still better than scientists at writing for the general public. He is also a former science writer for the New York Times. Here is another review of his book in the New York Review of Books: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/jun/05/stretch-genes/?insrc=toc > From: debbiekennett@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:07:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book > > I'm not familiar with either of those books but they are somewhat > irrelevant. The point remains that science is advanced by publication in > peer-reviewed scientific journals not by publishing books. I will reserve > judgement on Nicholas Wade until such time as he is able to publish his > "research" in a legitimate scientific journal but I'm not going to waste my > time reading his pseudoscientific book. > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan Kimel > Sent: 28 June 2014 22:52 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book > > If we depended on academicians, we would still be reading Margaret Meads' > "Coming of Age in Samoa", and Stephen J. Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man, " > both of which were complete scientific frauds. > > As I say, read Wade's book yourself, and make your own judgement. > > Dan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last year I watched Spencer Wells' documentary, The Journey of Man, in which he was saying that haplogroup R1b was one of the oldest in Europe and that they are descended from Cro-Magnon man. But this does not look very likely any more even though Wells is a scientist instead of being a science journalist. So I don't think that all scientists always know what they are talking about or that what science journalists write is all "pseudoscience". Spencer Wells: "Men belonging to Haplogroup R1b are direct descendants of the Cro-Magnon people who, beginning 30,000 years ago, dominated the human expansion into Europe and heralded the demise of the Neanderthal species," From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 23:30:31 +0000 "I will reserve judgement on Nicholas Wade until such time as he is able to publish his research in a legitimate scientific journal but I'm not going to waste my time reading his pseudoscientific book." He's not a scientist so that is unlikely to happen. He's a science journalist. But sometimes science journalists are still better than scientists at writing for the general public. He is also a former science writer for the New York Times. Here is another review of his book in the New York Review of Books: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/jun/05/stretch-genes/?insrc=toc > From: debbiekennett@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:07:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book > > I'm not familiar with either of those books but they are somewhat > irrelevant. The point remains that science is advanced by publication in > peer-reviewed scientific journals not by publishing books. I will reserve > judgement on Nicholas Wade until such time as he is able to publish his > "research" in a legitimate scientific journal but I'm not going to waste my > time reading his pseudoscientific book. > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan Kimel > Sent: 28 June 2014 22:52 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book > > If we depended on academicians, we would still be reading Margaret Meads' > "Coming of Age in Samoa", and Stephen J. Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man, " > both of which were complete scientific frauds. > > As I say, read Wade's book yourself, and make your own judgement. > > Dan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Spencer Wells is effectively a salesman for the Genographic Project, and the The Journey of Man was a marketing tool but that was storytelling not science. As far as I'm aware the Genographic Project have never published a scientific paper with a claim that R1b is associated with Cro-Magnon man. Not all scientists know what they're talking about and there are inevitably many bad papers published. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Simonds Sent: 29 June 2014 1:03 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book Last year I watched Spencer Wells' documentary, The Journey of Man, in which he was saying that haplogroup R1b was one of the oldest in Europe and that they are descended from Cro-Magnon man. But this does not look very likely any more even though Wells is a scientist instead of being a science journalist. So I don't think that all scientists always know what they are talking about or that what science journalists write is all "pseudoscience". Spencer Wells: "Men belonging to Haplogroup R1b are direct descendants of the Cro-Magnon people who, beginning 30,000 years ago, dominated the human expansion into Europe and heralded the demise of the Neanderthal species,"

Merely part of the process of teasing out the scientific (objective) truth. ... T.J. White On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Debbie Kennett <debbiekennett@gmail.com> wrote: > Spencer Wells is effectively a salesman for the Genographic Project, and > the > The Journey of Man was a marketing tool but that was storytelling not > science. As far as I'm aware the Genographic Project have never published a > scientific paper with a claim that R1b is associated with Cro-Magnon man. > Not all scientists know what they're talking about and there are inevitably > many bad papers published. > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matthew > Simonds > Sent: 29 June 2014 1:03 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book > > Last year I watched Spencer Wells' documentary, The Journey of Man, in > which > he was saying that haplogroup R1b was one of the oldest in Europe and that > they are descended from Cro-Magnon man. But this does not look very likely > any more even though Wells is a scientist instead of being a science > journalist. So I don't think that all scientists always know what they are > talking about or that what science journalists write is all > "pseudoscience". > > > Spencer Wells: "Men belonging to Haplogroup R1b are direct descendants of > the Cro-Magnon people who, beginning 30,000 years ago, dominated the human > expansion into Europe and heralded the demise of the Neanderthal species," > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "All forces have been steadily employ’d to complete and delight me. ..." Walt Whitman, "Leaves of Grass," 14, line 1165

The job of a science journalist is to report on published science in a way that makes it easy for the public to understand. Science reporting in general is pretty poor, and there are very few good science journalists. I don't see why anyone should take Nicholas Wade's views seriously when he's not actively involved in scientific research. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Simonds Sent: 29 June 2014 0:31 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended Book He's not a scientist so that is unlikely to happen. He's a science journalist. But sometimes science journalists are still better than scientists at writing for the general public. He is also a former science writer for the New York Times. Here is another review of his book in the New York Review of Books: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/jun/05/stretch-genes/?insrc=to c