I'm with Nicolas, I'm the next one to unsubscribe. Good night & good luck ;) ..... On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:51 pm, nicolas.taban wrote: > That's all folks ... this one was the very last post I read. > I am sorry but I can not stay in there reading such offensive words. Opening a debate yes. Directly supporting a racist writter, no. > The list has lost its sense diverging into politics and religion. Too bad the old doctors and other professors emeritus have such a grip on the "Truth". > > Didier, can you please remove me from the list and delete all posts I may have sent to it. > > Takk for meg. > > Nicolas > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > Date:29/06/2014 23:29 (GMT+01:00) > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book > > Debbie, Fortunately you, alone, can't censor the book, so that's not the > issue. The thread began with a one sentence recommendation to read the book > and did not include a review or analysis of the book. > > So your subsequent outburst of miscelaneous slander seems over the top and > rather dark to me at least. But let's hope the brouha will wet the > appetites of some and actually lead to more reading the book. > > I notice that among the folks on the book jacket saying positive things > about their reaction to the book are hard scientists James D Watson and > Edward O Wilson, and even soft scientist Lionel Tiger. > > Author Nicholas Wade was educated at England's Cambridge University in > Natural Science, he was reporter or editor at the well known journals > Science and Nature, and eventually science reporter/editor at the New York > Times. > > So his was a long career of working at the interface of science and the > general wider public with interest in science matters. The book was not > meant to be a "peer reviewed" scientific article, for the little that has > come to mean in today's world. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie Kennett > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 1:54 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended book > > John > > I am not in the least trying to censor the book. Note that Ken recommended > the book to the list despite admitting that he hadn't even finished reading > it. > > As I've tried to explain science is advanced by scientists doing research > and writing scientific papers that are published in peer-reviewed scientific > journals. It is a free world and if a reporter manages to get a commisssion > to write on a subject in which he has no academic training or expertise then > so be it. If people choose to read his book then that is their choice. It is > my choice not to read such a book. I prefer to spend my time reading the > original scientific papers rather than someone else's misinterpretation of > those papers. > > Other people have already commented on the shortcomings of the book and its > lack of scientific rigour, and I merely thought it would be helpful for > people to read those reviews if they wanted so that they can perhaps try and > understand the scientific viewpoint if they do choose to read the book. > These authors have explained the problems with the book far more eloquently > than I can. I provided those links for the benefit of all list members and > not just Americans. Nationality should have nothing to do with it. The > author of the book is after all a Brit. > > As you will recall, I also provided a link to a scientific paper by Guido > Barbujani "Human Races: Classifying People vs Understanding Diversity" which > gives a good summary of the current scientific thinking on the subject of > "race". I've provided a TinyURL below as the link got broken up by Rootsweb > so perhaps people had difficulty accessing the paper: > > http://tinyurl.com/mvdt487 > > Perhaps you might like to have a look at this paper with an open mind and > let us know what you think. If you know of any scientific papers that offer > a different view perhaps you can share them with us. > > Can I suggest that we focus our discussions on the science and not on > emotions. > > Debbie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message