I usually don't jump into these debates... and I probably should be saying this directly to the list moderator... but some of the insults that get thrown during the arguments that show up on this list all the way from Doctors with double degrees to armchair genealogists (it doesn't really matter what your educational background is in my opinion, just as long as you're interested) is downright ridiculous. You are all adults, please discuss things rationally like an adult. Like some have done in the past, I'm about ready to unsubscribe from this list myself - after having been subscribed since maybe around 2006/2007 (can't remember)? I strongly urge the list moderator to please begin moderating as the last had. Seriously, people, respect one-another!