Kenneth I have a query about your 'I1xL22xZ58 Tree'. After L69 you have a branch to AS161616 and another to MAV11 before M227. As my husband ( FTDNA 267833 ) falls into the gap between, being L69+ and M227-, I was wondering what it was that defined those two branches. I am probably missing something obvious but I can't see anything that indicates what they are? His 11 marker result is now nearly through and I think there might be a couple more unusual values there, for example DYS587=19 - does that mean anything specific? or is it just another indication he's odd :-) ! Carol Gilbert [email protected]