Ken: Did you receive my Geno 2 raw data file? I'm not trying to rush you, I know you are busy,but my e-mail provider is kind of unreliable about telling me if an e-mail was received.If I need to re-send it,what e-mail address,should I use? Also ,which STR's are in the "14/22/15" group? Thank you,for all you do. --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:19:20 -0700 Just download the default zipped file that Geno2 offers you, and then send to me as attachment on an email. I have an unzipping application to handle it from there. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Diana,Ken,and everyone that's tried to help me since 2008:Thanks, I suppose i am making progress,since I started out as a singleton I1*,and now have found 3 same surname relatives.And am now, I1-z140* .I would like to send my raw data to you,Ken,if I knew how. I know that you have explained how to do this,before,but I can't find it now.I know even less about computers,than I do about DNA. (if that's possible) --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:54:02 -0700 What sense do you want made of your results? What you said so far........ ending in Z140+/Z141+ is consistent with what your haplotype says --- you look like a fringe member of the 14/22/15 complex which is Z140+ in fact. In my database I have you as generic Z140+. If you send me your raw data file from Geno2 I can compare all 12,000 + ysnps with others from your part of the tree to see if you have anything novel in the way of ysnps. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices HI Diana: I am Garland Hogan,FTDNA 79332,y-search 3NNCA. I have been in the Z-140 group for some time,also on your list.I recently took Geno 2.0,and just got my results,this just adds to my confusion,I transferred,my results to FTDNA,and I still don't know much more about my SNP's.They confirmed that I'm positive for Z-58.Z59,and Z60,as well as Z140/Z-141,the only SNP's I saw that have been mentioned,by you or Ken,are pages00123,and CTS8647,almost all others mentioned in relation to Z-140,are negative or not called out.Can you ,or anyone else,make any sense of it? --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:20:38 -0500 > From: Nicolas Taban > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:27 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices > > Diana, > > For your info, I had recorded that N822121 (I have no name, but is oldest > ancestor is Edward Barton in 1620) did tested PF3247+. He is not in the > P109+ > (although he tested P109+) project but was in the L22+ project. > Unfortunately > since November when I did found his haplotype and SNP list in the L22+ > project, he has most likely rethdrawn himself from the project and I can > not > find him anymore. SEMARGL.ME still shows his data: http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/haplotypes/table/501/ The kit # is N82121, and his SNPs are: M253+ DF29+ L22+ P109+ PF3247+ Interestingly, Google still has him indexed in the Norway Project, though if you click the link and go to the page, he's not there. I was able to copy the Description text on the Google hit, and it looks like this: N82121, Olav Olai Larsen 1822-95 Osterøy, HRD, I1d1, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 10, 13, 11, 29, 15, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 28, 12-14-15-15, 10, 10, 19-21, 14 ... This haplotype jibes with the one SEMARGL.ME is showing, so this definitely is our guy. Thankfully, we got a look at it, now, because the next time Google indexes that page this information will disappear. Thank you for putting me on his trail. I've filled in the matrix for PF3247+: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#PF3247 > Kit 46183 also relates to the same ancestor (exact same text) but his > haplotype is quite different (distance of 18 on 37 markers or only 21/37 > match). Unfortunaltely he did not test this SNP. The Google description is showing a different ancestor, which would explain the non-matching haplotypes. > As for CTS11525, I didn't find it anywhere. Only on Terry's (Robb?) web > pages > http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ > I did ask him where he found it without any respons so far. Terry? Are you > arround? You have been quiet since this summer! I, too, initially found CTS11525+ only on Terry Robb's tree, but now I've found the CTS11525+ individual! I don't know why I didn't think to do this sooner, for the SNPs not found in the Hg I1 project. I did a site search at Google with these search terms, which allows the search to cover all FTDNA projects and pages: site:familytreedna.com CTS11525+ and up he popped: #45041, a BELANGER in the French Heritage project, now in the CTS11525+ matrix: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#CTS11525 I do love tying up loose ends. THANK YOU for your help. Now I'm going to try this search technique for the other SNPs not found... 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It has to go to my private email. This public discussion group will not take attachments. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Ken: Did you receive my Geno 2 raw data file? I'm not trying to rush you, I know you are busy,but my e-mail provider is kind of unreliable about telling me if an e-mail was received.If I need to re-send it,what e-mail address,should I use? Also ,which STR's are in the "14/22/15" group? Thank you,for all you do. --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:19:20 -0700 Just download the default zipped file that Geno2 offers you, and then send to me as attachment on an email. I have an unzipping application to handle it from there. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Diana,Ken,and everyone that's tried to help me since 2008:Thanks, I suppose i am making progress,since I started out as a singleton I1*,and now have found 3 same surname relatives.And am now, I1-z140* .I would like to send my raw data to you,Ken,if I knew how. I know that you have explained how to do this,before,but I can't find it now.I know even less about computers,than I do about DNA. (if that's possible) --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:54:02 -0700 What sense do you want made of your results? What you said so far........ ending in Z140+/Z141+ is consistent with what your haplotype says --- you look like a fringe member of the 14/22/15 complex which is Z140+ in fact. In my database I have you as generic Z140+. If you send me your raw data file from Geno2 I can compare all 12,000 + ysnps with others from your part of the tree to see if you have anything novel in the way of ysnps. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices HI Diana: I am Garland Hogan,FTDNA 79332,y-search 3NNCA. I have been in the Z-140 group for some time,also on your list.I recently took Geno 2.0,and just got my results,this just adds to my confusion,I transferred,my results to FTDNA,and I still don't know much more about my SNP's.They confirmed that I'm positive for Z-58.Z59,and Z60,as well as Z140/Z-141,the only SNP's I saw that have been mentioned,by you or Ken,are pages00123,and CTS8647,almost all others mentioned in relation to Z-140,are negative or not called out.Can you ,or anyone else,make any sense of it? --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:20:38 -0500 > From: Nicolas Taban > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:27 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices > > Diana, > > For your info, I had recorded that N822121 (I have no name, but is oldest > ancestor is Edward Barton in 1620) did tested PF3247+. He is not in the > P109+ > (although he tested P109+) project but was in the L22+ project. > Unfortunately > since November when I did found his haplotype and SNP list in the L22+ > project, he has most likely rethdrawn himself from the project and I can > not > find him anymore. SEMARGL.ME still shows his data: http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/haplotypes/table/501/ The kit # is N82121, and his SNPs are: M253+ DF29+ L22+ P109+ PF3247+ Interestingly, Google still has him indexed in the Norway Project, though if you click the link and go to the page, he's not there. I was able to copy the Description text on the Google hit, and it looks like this: N82121, Olav Olai Larsen 1822-95 Osterøy, HRD, I1d1, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 10, 13, 11, 29, 15, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 28, 12-14-15-15, 10, 10, 19-21, 14 ... This haplotype jibes with the one SEMARGL.ME is showing, so this definitely is our guy. Thankfully, we got a look at it, now, because the next time Google indexes that page this information will disappear. Thank you for putting me on his trail. I've filled in the matrix for PF3247+: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#PF3247 > Kit 46183 also relates to the same ancestor (exact same text) but his > haplotype is quite different (distance of 18 on 37 markers or only 21/37 > match). Unfortunaltely he did not test this SNP. The Google description is showing a different ancestor, which would explain the non-matching haplotypes. > As for CTS11525, I didn't find it anywhere. Only on Terry's (Robb?) web > pages > http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ > I did ask him where he found it without any respons so far. Terry? Are you > arround? You have been quiet since this summer! I, too, initially found CTS11525+ only on Terry Robb's tree, but now I've found the CTS11525+ individual! I don't know why I didn't think to do this sooner, for the SNPs not found in the Hg I1 project. I did a site search at Google with these search terms, which allows the search to cover all FTDNA projects and pages: site:familytreedna.com CTS11525+ and up he popped: #45041, a BELANGER in the French Heritage project, now in the CTS11525+ matrix: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#CTS11525 I do love tying up loose ends. THANK YOU for your help. Now I'm going to try this search technique for the other SNPs not found... Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message