Anyone who depends on the FTDNA conversion process rather than the raw data itself is skating on thin ice. Sometimes we do not have or never get the raw data from someone and need to use FTDNA's conversion/rendition. But when doing so one must remember the ice. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion My mistake on Z61. Thanks for your correction. The fundamental issue I am raising is that FTDNA conversion process appears to have some problems and that they may be in correcting the problem. Hopefully the problem has not been incorrect on the most important SNPs. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 8:22 pm To: <[2][email protected]> Geno2 has no Z61 on it, and Z62 is broken and reads the same TT for everyone regardless if upstream or downstream. Regarding the other snps you mention, you are normal and showing same values as other I1 people: L244=DD, L380=AA, L705=TT, L706=AA, PF1248=TT Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:07 PM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Since my original posting, I have found 9 of my SNPs not converted (ie not posted) in the FTDNA conversion process. All nine SNPs are derived, at least based on specific information found for each in the ISOGG (Krahn) browser. The nine SNPs are: L244, L380, L705, L706, L707, PF1248, Z61, Z62. Earlier this month I sent an email to Rebekah Canada at FTDNA; her response was that FTDNA is in process of updating the conversion process. However, due to an employee on holiday, no additional information was available at the time of her response. So, perhaps in the next few days we will get further info on the update. JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:56 pm To: <[2][6][email protected]> Main problem with FTDNA readings of Geno2 results is that no calls get lost in the negatives; only "positives" are reported and sometimes what is positive is in error. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:19 AM To: [4][8][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Ken- Is your explanation below, then, the reason that the GENO 2.0 derived reading on L380 is not reported by FTDNA in their conversion process? If not, have you found other GENO 2.0 readings not reported in the FTDNA conversion? JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][9][email protected]> Date: Fri, January 03, 2014 3:33 pm To: <[2][6][10][email protected]> I'm afraid everyone is AA for L380. Whether that is technically ancestral or derived is of secondary importance it seems; it could have mutated somewhere upstream in the tree rendering IJK as well as R haplogroups as derived AA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7][11]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB MCCRUMMEN Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: YDNA I_ROOTSWEB LIST Subject: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion In previous post, Diana mentioned a missing derived GENO 2.0 result (L380+) in the Project I conversion by FTDNA. I checked the FTDNA GENO 2.0 conversion for my results and L380+ is also missing in the FTDNA conversion table. My GENO 2.0 L380 reading is derived ( AA and ISOGG/Krahn Browser confirms this is derived). Two Questions: 1- Are there other GENO 2.0 participants whose readings (L380 and other SNPs) missing and/or not accurately converted? 2- Are there other GENO 2.0 SNP readings missing and/or not accurately converted? JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA KIT: 75432 --------------- Previous posting from Diana: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[4][8][12][email protected]> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Rasey I2 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:04:28 -0500 Well, duhhh. I could just go look at the ISOGG tree, so I did. Given that he's Z78-, it does surprise me that he's also CTS6433-. But I guess what does surprise me is that his L380+ is still not on the page, even at the bottom as a private SNP. My first impulse is to order CTS1977 and L1290, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't just pop for the BigY, instead of this drip, drip, drip ordering of a la carte SNPs. Diana ----------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][9][13][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [10][14]mailto:[email protected] 2. [11][15]mailto:[email protected] 3. [12][16]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 4. 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