How did you establish they all were phyloequivalent to M423? What was your pool of comparison full genomes? The people of the paper for 8000 year old dna do not do indels to my knowledge, so I don't think they are useful for present purposes Anyway, Lorschbour man from Luxuemberg and Motala12 man from Sweden match exactly on the very long list of phyloequivalent snps you provided and which they could read (still a very long list!). The split is about 2/3 derived, 1/3 ancestral, confirming the Geno2 work that this is an extinct but separate branch somewhat upstream node from the L161/L621 node. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: John O'Grady Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 and Hg I Ken, I sent you the list that I extracted from my Full Genomes results. I can send you a list of additional M423 phyloequivalents, including indels, if you are interested. John O'Grady > > John, I am confused as to how I got a file of snps (I believe they are > from > your full genome) which were alleged to be phyloequivalent to > M423/L161/L178. Did you send it, or did I try to make it from having your > full genome? > > The problem I have with me making that list is I don't know which upstream > or downstream full genomes there are to compare you with so as to isolate > the M423 phyloequivalents? > > Anyway, I sent it to the 8000 year old bone people, and they were able to > read and returned status for many of your snps. For Motala3 man some were > derived, some ancestral. Same for Lorschbour man. Motala 2 and Motala 9 > men were ancestral for all of your snps on "your" list, but I had > suspected > both these guys were from elsewhere in haplogroup I already. They are > still > not pinned down, but I think we can learn more about those two as well. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know if the researchers identified any additional mutations not present in the modern I-M423 population that would confirm the mesolithic line is indeed parallel and not ancestral to them? Or is it just so statistically unlikely that the lineage of one of these remains established the modern line?