All of these samples in this latest study were I* or I2. What is the oldest sample of I1 yet found? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:31:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > Yes, it is a very interesting paper, especially to haplogroup I folks. Unfortunately they did not go as far as they could have gone because they limited themselves to ISOGG tree; this situation can maybe be remedied.. I hope this paper encourages the study of more ancient dna samples from Europe and from as many different time periods as possible. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > From: Didier VERNADE > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Kenneth Nordtvedt ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > > OK, tanks for the update ; I hope the link will still be of some use for other late comers like me ! > > > > > > > > > You apparently have not been tuned in. It has been discusssed rather > > extensively on this list. If you look at "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" > > and "Tree for L161" you can see some of the very interesting snp placements > > and new tree branch resulting from testing of many recent snp discoveries > > from Geno2 on some of these 8000 b.p. dna samples. I think there is more to > > come if Mortala2 and Mortala9 turn out to be readble for an additional bunch > > of ysnps presented to them. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > It seems that the recent paper, "Ancient human genomes suggest three > > ancestral populations for present-day Europeans" wasn't discussed on this > > list while the early european seem to be of I haplogroup. Here is a link : > > > > http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552 > > > > > > > > Didier Vernade > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Motala2 and Motala9 are just read to be IxM253 or IxP40. We can really say no more about them from the unread snps. Motala2 reads CTS1293- which by itself does not say much. The * usage is very misleading. Motala12 is very likely identical to Loschbour and maybe even M3. Loschbour is quite specifically located quite a ways downstream. If you are talking about age of dna sample, I don't know what the oldest such sample measured is. I don't think it would be very old. Present day I1 seems to have a MRCA about 4500 years ago, although some people have suggested a slightly older date. There are incredible opportunities for old dna samples splitting the hundred or so known snps phyloequivalent to M253 but whose ages of occurrence span the time period --- 4500 b.p. back to 22,000 b.p. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans All of these samples in this latest study were I* or I2. What is the oldest sample of I1 yet found? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:31:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > Yes, it is a very interesting paper, especially to haplogroup I folks. > Unfortunately they did not go as far as they could have gone because they > limited themselves to ISOGG tree; this situation can maybe be remedied.. > I hope this paper encourages the study of more ancient dna samples from > Europe and from as many different time periods as possible. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > From: Didier VERNADE > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Kenneth Nordtvedt ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > > OK, tanks for the update ; I hope the link will still be of some use for > other late comers like me ! > > > > > > > > > You apparently have not been tuned in. It has been discusssed rather > > extensively on this list. If you look at "Tree and Map for haplogroup > I" > > and "Tree for L161" you can see some of the very interesting snp > placements > > and new tree branch resulting from testing of many recent snp > discoveries > > from Geno2 on some of these 8000 b.p. dna samples. I think there is > more to > > come if Mortala2 and Mortala9 turn out to be readble for an additional > bunch > > of ysnps presented to them. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > It seems that the recent paper, "Ancient human genomes suggest three > > ancestral populations for present-day Europeans" wasn't discussed on > this > > list while the early european seem to be of I haplogroup. Here is a > link : > > > > http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552 > > > > > > > > Didier Vernade > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message