For a dna sample to truly be I* it would need to be: 1. Derived for M170 or one of the many other known phyloequivalent snps. 2. Ancestral for M438 and all the 22 or so known phyloequivalent snps. 3. Ancestral for M253 and all the 100 or so known phyloequivalent snps. See "Tree and Map for haplogroup I". There is no dna sample that has been through all that wringer as far as I know. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans All of these samples in this latest study were I* or I2. What is the oldest sample of I1 yet found? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:31:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > Yes, it is a very interesting paper, especially to haplogroup I folks. > Unfortunately they did not go as far as they could have gone because they > limited themselves to ISOGG tree; this situation can maybe be remedied.. > I hope this paper encourages the study of more ancient dna samples from > Europe and from as many different time periods as possible. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > From: Didier VERNADE > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Kenneth Nordtvedt ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 3 ancestral populations for present-day Europeans > > > OK, tanks for the update ; I hope the link will still be of some use for > other late comers like me ! > > > > > > > > > You apparently have not been tuned in. It has been discusssed rather > > extensively on this list. If you look at "Tree and Map for haplogroup > I" > > and "Tree for L161" you can see some of the very interesting snp > placements > > and new tree branch resulting from testing of many recent snp > discoveries > > from Geno2 on some of these 8000 b.p. dna samples. I think there is > more to > > come if Mortala2 and Mortala9 turn out to be readble for an additional > bunch > > of ysnps presented to them. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > It seems that the recent paper, "Ancient human genomes suggest three > > ancestral populations for present-day Europeans" wasn't discussed on > this > > list while the early european seem to be of I haplogroup. Here is a > link : > > > > http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552 > > > > > > > > Didier Vernade > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message