Doty, Cueva, Kelly 94978, and Dunham certainly form a clade, although the population is presently small. I will have to track down Willis to see if he belongs. Yes, Willis is also member of the clade. Only Willis and Cueva lack the 68-111 markers. There is a clade; all there is now to do is expand its population. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: george doty Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Full Genomes Ken, In a post late last year you suggested that you might be close to identifying a new Clade of which I might be a member in the AS3 region of the I1-M253 tree. Keeping both cost and information possibly gained toward the goal of identifying a new Clade, should we encourage specific individuals to expand their Y-DNA tests to 111 markers, or would some other test be better? I would be willing to help finance a limited number of such tests if you think they might be worthwhile. Looking at my records, I see a number of Dunhams and close variants, a Willis and a Kelly with haplotypes relatively close to mine at the 67 marker level, and there is a de Jong at the 37 marker level with whom I have a genetic distance of 4. Would these be possible candidates? If so, which ones might be the best bets? Would you suggest others? I assume that testing by my son and first cousin beyond the 37 marker level which they have done would not be helpful. George Doty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, Unfortunately I am not allowed to communicate on the tree www.fullgenomes.com made from their sequencing until now. As an indication : the I1 node is now worth 471 SNPs !  Not, 80, not 100  but 471. Upstream and including these 471 there are some 1700 SNPs. I wasn't able to estimate the SNPs downstream (until now) . If I1 is 25000 years old those 471 SNPs would make 1 SNP per 50 years.  However, I rather think I1 is older than previously estimated and the time interval between 2 SNPs a little longer.   Didier Vernade