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    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140
    2. LornaMoa
    3. Kenneth, Just checking I fully understand. We've already tested Z2539- so does your CTS7362= Z2539 NOT mean that they are equivalent? Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 20/01/14 13:10, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > How do you know whether or not your Z60+ haplotype is on that CTS7362 branch > or not? You apparently are Z140- > Since your haplotype looks generic, only way to know is to test CTS7362. > You could be brave and try a snp further downstream, but if negative, then > you must try the other downstream branches. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider > ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 > > Thanks Kenneth. > I interpreted your diagram where it labels the branch as > > CTS7362= Z2539 > that no additional benefit would accrue. > Is that not the case? > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 20/01/14 12:34, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >> What about CTS7362 test? >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LornaMoa >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:25 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider >> ordering >> CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 >> >> Hi, >> Surfacing to see where next please for the kit representing our clutch >> of matching RUNCIMANs >> >> Kit 172347 is shown in the group >> I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, >> Z140 >> >> And has so far tested >> Z59+, Z60+, Z140-, Z2539- >> >> Looking at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20for%20I1%20Z60+.pptx (19 Dec) >> I interpret that as Z60+ is divided by >> Z140/Z141 >> and CTS7362/Z2539 >> >> I assume that there is no point in testing Z141 if Z140 was negative. >> >> ISOGG (18 Jan) shows >> • • • • • *I1a2a1* S337/Z60, S439/Z61, Z62 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1** - >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1a* S440/Z140, Z141 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1* S1953/Z2535 >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1** - >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1a* L338 >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1b* CTS10937/Z2538 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a2* F2642/S2169 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1b* S247/Z73 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b1* L1302 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1c* L573 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1d* L1248 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d1* L803 >> >> which indicates (to me) S247/Z73 or L573 or L1248 would be possibilities. >> >> Advice please. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/20/2014 06:16:01
    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140
    2. Kenneth Nordtvedt
    3. I did not notice you tested Z2539. Yes, that's the same as testing CTS7362. So you remain Z60+ generic. If you have money to burn you could test Z141 as it is different snp than Z140. But we have not found anyone previously who has split these two snps. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: LornaMoa Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 Kenneth, Just checking I fully understand. We've already tested Z2539- so does your CTS7362= Z2539 NOT mean that they are equivalent? Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 20/01/14 13:10, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > How do you know whether or not your Z60+ haplotype is on that CTS7362 > branch > or not? You apparently are Z140- > Since your haplotype looks generic, only way to know is to test CTS7362. > You could be brave and try a snp further downstream, but if negative, then > you must try the other downstream branches. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider > ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 > > Thanks Kenneth. > I interpreted your diagram where it labels the branch as > > CTS7362= Z2539 > that no additional benefit would accrue. > Is that not the case? > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 20/01/14 12:34, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >> What about CTS7362 test? >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LornaMoa >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:25 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider >> ordering >> CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 >> >> Hi, >> Surfacing to see where next please for the kit representing our clutch >> of matching RUNCIMANs >> >> Kit 172347 is shown in the group >> I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, >> Z140 >> >> And has so far tested >> Z59+, Z60+, Z140-, Z2539- >> >> Looking at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20for%20I1%20Z60+.pptx (19 Dec) >> I interpret that as Z60+ is divided by >> Z140/Z141 >> and CTS7362/Z2539 >> >> I assume that there is no point in testing Z141 if Z140 was negative. >> >> ISOGG (18 Jan) shows >> • • • • • *I1a2a1* S337/Z60, S439/Z61, Z62 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1** - >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1a* S440/Z140, Z141 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1* S1953/Z2535 >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1** - >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1a* L338 >> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1b* CTS10937/Z2538 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a2* F2642/S2169 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1b* S247/Z73 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b1* L1302 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1c* L573 >> • • • • • • *I1a2a1d* L1248 >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d** - >> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d1* L803 >> >> which indicates (to me) S247/Z73 or L573 or L1248 would be possibilities. >> >> Advice please. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/19/2014 11:20:43
    1. Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140
    2. LornaMoa
    3. I'll save our project money until we get more downstream snps available. Ta. Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 20/01/14 14:20, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > I did not notice you tested Z2539. Yes, that's the same as testing CTS7362. > So you remain Z60+ generic. If you have money to burn you could test Z141 > as it is different snp than Z140. But we have not found anyone previously > who has split these two snps. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider > ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 > > Kenneth, > Just checking I fully understand. > We've already tested > > Z2539- > so does your > CTS7362= Z2539 > NOT mean that they are equivalent? > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 20/01/14 13:10, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >> How do you know whether or not your Z60+ haplotype is on that CTS7362 >> branch >> or not? You apparently are Z140- >> Since your haplotype looks generic, only way to know is to test CTS7362. >> You could be brave and try a snp further downstream, but if negative, then >> you must try the other downstream branches. >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LornaMoa >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:59 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider >> ordering CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 >> >> Thanks Kenneth. >> I interpreted your diagram where it labels the branch as >> >> CTS7362= Z2539 >> that no additional benefit would accrue. >> Is that not the case? >> >> Lorna Henderson >> http://LornaHen.com >> >> On 20/01/14 12:34, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >>> What about CTS7362 test? >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: LornaMoa >>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:25 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider >>> ordering >>> CTS7362/Z2539, Z140 >>> >>> Hi, >>> Surfacing to see where next please for the kit representing our clutch >>> of matching RUNCIMANs >>> >>> Kit 172347 is shown in the group >>> I1-Z60+ (Z58+, Z59+, Z60+, Z61+, Z62+) consider ordering CTS7362/Z2539, >>> Z140 >>> >>> And has so far tested >>> Z59+, Z60+, Z140-, Z2539- >>> >>> Looking at >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20for%20I1%20Z60+.pptx (19 Dec) >>> I interpret that as Z60+ is divided by >>> Z140/Z141 >>> and CTS7362/Z2539 >>> >>> I assume that there is no point in testing Z141 if Z140 was negative. >>> >>> ISOGG (18 Jan) shows >>> • • • • • *I1a2a1* S337/Z60, S439/Z61, Z62 >>> • • • • • • *I1a2a1** - >>> • • • • • • *I1a2a1a* S440/Z140, Z141 >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a** - >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1* S1953/Z2535 >>> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1** - >>> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1a* L338 >>> • • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a1b* CTS10937/Z2538 >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1a2* F2642/S2169 >>> • • • • • • *I1a2a1b* S247/Z73 >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b** - >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1b1* L1302 >>> • • • • • • *I1a2a1c* L573 >>> • • • • • • *I1a2a1d* L1248 >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d** - >>> • • • • • • • *I1a2a1d1* L803 >>> >>> which indicates (to me) S247/Z73 or L573 or L1248 would be possibilities. >>> >>> Advice please. >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/20/2014 07:29:59