L380 was read as + positive, derived in an M223+ person outside of Roots --- suggesting it is universal in Roots. And L319 has been read from chromats to be - negative, ancestral for another in the same Roots clade as original L319+ So I think people in Roots ordering these snps is a questionable or "long-shot" venture. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Ian Gammage Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 3:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 Thank Aaron, Given Ken's comment what would these tests add in my case? He has me as basic M223*. Would these two fall into a category similar to L801? Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Salles Torres" <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 Ian, I would actually like to know what your results would be for L319, as well as have a confirmation of L380, as I have expressed in my previous emails to you. Thanks, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:15 PM From: "Ian Gammage" <iangammage@iinet.net.au> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Thank you Ken. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 > Nothing to try at the moment. Another from your 531=12 clade did L812- > > You are basic M223* still. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message