Recently reported results indicate that I am Z63+ and Z58-, like T2. I am a representative (kit 6715) of Hamilton Group B < <http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html>http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html > My current SNP tested lineup is: Z63+ P19+ M253+ Z58- L803- L802- L338- Gordon Hamilton >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:10:02 -0800 >From: "K S Harris" <kharris@psych-science.com> >Subject: [yDNAhgI] T2 negative for Z58 >To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > >As expected, new results show negative for Z58. > >Lineup for my T2 is now > >Z63+ P30+ M253+; > >and > >Z58- Z131- P259- P109- M227- M21- L338- L22-
I looked at this closely, because at 37 markers my brother and his clone, who are AS-Generic, have a genetic distance of 3 to 5 from Hamilton B - without looking at DYS 570, DYS 576, and CDY of course. First thing I notice is that, like my brother, Hamilton B is close to the Anglo-Saxon generic modal haplotype. Second thing I notice is that not a whole lot seems to differentiate T2 from the Anglo-Saxon generic modal haplotype. Is the most important difference the Kittler order? If so, has anyone in Hamilton B obtained their Kittler order? I notice a little bit of bouncing around in that large group; there is a 14-14 and a 13-15. Otherwise there are just three values, and a few of Hamilton B share one of them. The value of DYS 390 is notoriously unreliable. Should be 23 for Norse and 22 for non-Norse, and corresponds to what it should be only two thirds of the time. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Hamilton Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:03 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Cc: gah4@psu.edu Subject: [yDNAhgI] Hamilton Group B, like T2, is Z63+ and Z58- Recently reported results indicate that I am Z63+ and Z58-, like T2. I am a representative (kit 6715) of Hamilton Group B < <http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html>http://www.pe rsonal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html > My current SNP tested lineup is: Z63+ P19+ M253+ Z58- L803- L802- L338- Gordon Hamilton >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:10:02 -0800 >From: "K S Harris" <kharris@psych-science.com> >Subject: [yDNAhgI] T2 negative for Z58 >To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > >As expected, new results show negative for Z58. > >Lineup for my T2 is now > >Z63+ P30+ M253+; > >and > >Z58- Z131- P259- P109- M227- M21- L338- L22- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hamilton-B comes from a British Isles cluster which for years was believe (by me) to be part of T2, albeit with some lingering doubt. I think this Z63+ commonality makes the case much stronger they are all descendants from the same T2 founder. Yes, T2 was always minimal in its identifying markers. The 68-111 markers help a lot for those who expanded haplotypes. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:31 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [yDNAhgI] Hamilton Group B, like T2, is Z63+ and Z58- I looked at this closely, because at 37 markers my brother and his clone, who are AS-Generic, have a genetic distance of 3 to 5 from Hamilton B - without looking at DYS 570, DYS 576, and CDY of course. First thing I notice is that, like my brother, Hamilton B is close to the Anglo-Saxon generic modal haplotype. Second thing I notice is that not a whole lot seems to differentiate T2 from the Anglo-Saxon generic modal haplotype. Is the most important difference the Kittler order? If so, has anyone in Hamilton B obtained their Kittler order? I notice a little bit of bouncing around in that large group; there is a 14-14 and a 13-15. Otherwise there are just three values, and a few of Hamilton B share one of them. The value of DYS 390 is notoriously unreliable. Should be 23 for Norse and 22 for non-Norse, and corresponds to what it should be only two thirds of the time. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Hamilton Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:03 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Cc: gah4@psu.edu Subject: [yDNAhgI] Hamilton Group B, like T2, is Z63+ and Z58- Recently reported results indicate that I am Z63+ and Z58-, like T2. I am a representative (kit 6715) of Hamilton Group B < <http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html>http://www.pe rsonal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/GrpB.html > My current SNP tested lineup is: Z63+ P19+ M253+ Z58- L803- L802- L338- Gordon Hamilton >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:10:02 -0800 >From: "K S Harris" <kharris@psych-science.com> >Subject: [yDNAhgI] T2 negative for Z58 >To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > >As expected, new results show negative for Z58. > >Lineup for my T2 is now > >Z63+ P30+ M253+; > >and > >Z58- Z131- P259- P109- M227- M21- L338- L22- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message