I ordered Z140 along with Z139 expecting to be negative for both but came back Z139- & Z140+ today. Last week I ordered Z59 & L803 so it looks like I wasted my money on those. However the Z140+ result was great news and assuming Z59 comes back derived for me, that will help confirm that Z140 is below Z59. My full set of results so far: Z58+ Z140+ M253+ Z63- Z139- Z138- Z131- P259- M514- M284- M227- M223- M21- L338- L22- L211- Duncan (Ysearch RVKNK) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: 11 November 2011 14:39 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret Thanks Duncan -----Original Message----- From: r0berts0n Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:18 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret I am Z58+ and Z138-. I have ordered Z139 to help in determining whether Z138 & Z139 are equivalent. Duncan (Ysearch RVKNK) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: 11 November 2011 02:05 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret I guess I'll do Z138 then to see what's what. I'm Z139+ One fellow today did Z138 instead of Z139. He was negative. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:46 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret Just wanted to mention: Although Z138 and Z139 are expected to be approximately equivalent, this is based on only two derived samples for each from the 1000 Genomes Project, so one could be upstream of the other. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Almost all I1xL22, including outliers, are Z58+ so far. Only I1-T2 > clade has broken away, being Z63+ Z58- instead. > Those many who tested Z58+ are a broad selection of I1xL22. > > What do Z58+ folks do now? Test Z139 and Z140, although Z138 will do > as well as Z139. > These snps are downstream of Z58+ > > Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4609 - Release Date: 11/10/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4610 - Release Date: 11/11/11

No one has confirmed yet Z59 is in the line where 1000 Genomes says it is, so your Z59 test will not be wasted. -----Original Message----- From: r0berts0n Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Result: Z140+ I ordered Z140 along with Z139 expecting to be negative for both but came back Z139- & Z140+ today. Last week I ordered Z59 & L803 so it looks like I wasted my money on those. However the Z140+ result was great news and assuming Z59 comes back derived for me, that will help confirm that Z140 is below Z59. My full set of results so far: Z58+ Z140+ M253+ Z63- Z139- Z138- Z131- P259- M514- M284- M227- M223- M21- L338- L22- L211- Duncan (Ysearch RVKNK) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: 11 November 2011 14:39 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret Thanks Duncan -----Original Message----- From: r0berts0n Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:18 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret I am Z58+ and Z138-. I have ordered Z139 to help in determining whether Z138 & Z139 are equivalent. Duncan (Ysearch RVKNK) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: 11 November 2011 02:05 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret I guess I'll do Z138 then to see what's what. I'm Z139+ One fellow today did Z138 instead of Z139. He was negative. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:46 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret Just wanted to mention: Although Z138 and Z139 are expected to be approximately equivalent, this is based on only two derived samples for each from the 1000 Genomes Project, so one could be upstream of the other. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Almost all I1xL22, including outliers, are Z58+ so far. Only I1-T2 > clade has broken away, being Z63+ Z58- instead. > Those many who tested Z58+ are a broad selection of I1xL22. > > What do Z58+ folks do now? Test Z139 and Z140, although Z138 will do > as well as Z139. > These snps are downstream of Z58+ > > Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4609 - Release Date: 11/10/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4610 - Release Date: 11/11/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message