T2, AS1, AS8, etc. have had clade names for years. I have no plans to change them. I think the AS1/AS8 L338+ was given the formal haplogroup name of I1f, and T2 Z63+ is probably I1h Who got I1g slips me at the moment. These clades were never part of I1ASgeneric. I am of I1ASgeneric, and I spun off last night as Z139+ -----Original Message----- From: lambeth@tadaust.org.au Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:32 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age What names are you giving these new subhaplogroups of I1xL22 (aka) HgI1 (M253) AS-generic ? On 11/11/2011 11:59 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > L338+ which consists of robust clades AS1 and AS8, and Z63+ which consists > of the robust clade T2 are both now established subhaplogroups of I1xL22 > > An interclade node age estimate for the two clades’ MRCA yields 4150 > years. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken's Y Search entry is 7W8HP. (Only one Nordtvedt in there, it's from Norway, and he's the contact person.) Values of DYS 19 (15), DYS 385 (13,15), and DYS 456 (16) jump right out at me; they've all got to be somewhat unusual, atleast in I1-AS generic. Ken, what's the Kittler order? I know you had that done. Can our researcher perhaps match it against the small group of haplotypes from which he concluded that some of the Z58+ haplotypes matched AS2 and AS5? Also, does anyone know if the other Z139+ people might have had Norse ancestry? Particularly if Z138/139+ is relatively unusual, maybe it branched off on its way to Norway. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age T2, AS1, AS8, etc. have had clade names for years. I have no plans to change them. I think the AS1/AS8 L338+ was given the formal haplogroup name of I1f, and T2 Z63+ is probably I1h Who got I1g slips me at the moment. These clades were never part of I1ASgeneric. I am of I1ASgeneric, and I spun off last night as Z139+

I am a boring Kittler 14/13 You did not see my DYS487 = 13, 388 = 15, very high 449, 9 at 460. Only other Z139+ at the moment are the AS2 folks. My haplotype has nothing to do with AS2 other than sharing the Z139+ My closest matches consist of a huge British Isles family, tmrca with me of 1200 years ago with generous sigma. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age Ken's Y Search entry is 7W8HP. (Only one Nordtvedt in there, it's from Norway, and he's the contact person.) Values of DYS 19 (15), DYS 385 (13,15), and DYS 456 (16) jump right out at me; they've all got to be somewhat unusual, atleast in I1-AS generic. Ken, what's the Kittler order? I know you had that done. Can our researcher perhaps match it against the small group of haplotypes from which he concluded that some of the Z58+ haplotypes matched AS2 and AS5? Also, does anyone know if the other Z139+ people might have had Norse ancestry? Particularly if Z138/139+ is relatively unusual, maybe it branched off on its way to Norway. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age T2, AS1, AS8, etc. have had clade names for years. I have no plans to change them. I think the AS1/AS8 L338+ was given the formal haplogroup name of I1f, and T2 Z63+ is probably I1h Who got I1g slips me at the moment. These clades were never part of I1ASgeneric. I am of I1ASgeneric, and I spun off last night as Z139+ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message