There was general misinformation regarding Z77. And project members were eager to discover new SNP's. It was an unfortunate mix. Members were aware of that and were very understanding. Regarding V218, volunteers made an informed decision when they ordered it. I don't find that a fiasco at all. I see it as supporting evidence. Orders for L319 are currently not widespread enough throughout Roots, in order to offer us a final verdict on this SNP. Dr, Krahn called it "unstable" and I would like to look into that. Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 Monday, November 21, 2011 9:39 AM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com We have had a couple fiascos in my opinion for which substantial monies were spent --- Z77 and V218 ---  because large numbers of orders were made before the evidence gathered about the snp locations in the tree.  When really important snp tests are needed, I think it important that the credibilities of those urging such tests be in good order.    Ken