A snp, L380, discovered some time ago in other y haplogroups has shown up derived in a P109+ i1d1 and in a uN I1d But L380 has very consistently (7 cases) shown up ancestral in I1xL22 And except for one recent Roots M223+ person, L380 has consistently shown up ancestral throughout y haplogroup I Perhaps a few very basic I1-N I1d should test for L380 and someone from the Bothnian I1d3? Any other outlier I1d might consider L380 Our basic question is whether it is exactly phyloequiv to L22 over our databases of many thousands of I1 haplotypes? Being an old snp, it is in the catalog. Ken