L840+ in Id ( L22, L813,L137) Ole On Fre, November 11, 2011 03:28, ole@selmer.org wrote: > 3) has been done > > On Fre, November 11, 2011 03:07, K S Harris wrote: >> Hi Ken and all, >> >> >> >> I can order the L840 if that's most effective. I would meet #4 below, but >> NOT #s 1, 2 & 3. >> >> >> >> (I see someone with #2 is on board.) >> >> >> >> My genotype is positive for Z63, P30, and M253, and negative for Z131, >> P259, P109, M227, M21, L338, and L22. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth >> Nordtvedt >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:49 AM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 >> >> >> >> SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now in >> the FTDNA catalog. >> >> >> >> But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the Y >> Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is called >> for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location for this >> new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong before on their >> suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to take their >> information into account or we waste lots of money and time. >> >> >> >> I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. >> >> >> >> 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative >> of known L840+ >> >> 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster >> >> 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- >> >> 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ >> >> >> >> Ken >> >