SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now in the FTDNA catalog. But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the Y Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is called for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location for this new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong before on their suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to take their information into account or we waste lots of money and time. I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative of known L840+ 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ Ken

Hi Ken and all, I can order the L840 if that's most effective. I would meet #4 below, but NOT #s 1, 2 & 3. (I see someone with #2 is on board.) My genotype is positive for Z63, P30, and M253, and negative for Z131, P259, P109, M227, M21, L338, and L22. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:49 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now in the FTDNA catalog. But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the Y Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is called for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location for this new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong before on their suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to take their information into account or we waste lots of money and time. I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative of known L840+ 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, your order would be good. The 4 classes were meant to be mutually exclusive, so you fulfilling just one is a-ok. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 Hi Ken and all, I can order the L840 if that's most effective. I would meet #4 below, but NOT #s 1, 2 & 3. (I see someone with #2 is on board.) My genotype is positive for Z63, P30, and M253, and negative for Z131, P259, P109, M227, M21, L338, and L22. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:49 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now in the FTDNA catalog. But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the Y Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is called for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location for this new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong before on their suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to take their information into account or we waste lots of money and time. I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative of known L840+ 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As expected, new results show negative for Z58. Lineup for my T2 is now Z63+ P30+ M253+; and Z58- Z131- P259- P109- M227- M21- L338- L22-

I did the L840 for 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster. Thank you for ordering the L840 test. Gary Barach FTDNA 177090 > From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:12 -0700 > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 > > SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now in the FTDNA catalog. > > But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the Y Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is called for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location for this new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong before on their suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to take their information into account or we waste lots of money and time. > > I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. > > 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative of known L840+ > 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster > 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- > 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for starting the ball rolling on L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:53 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 I did the L840 for 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster. Thank you for ordering the L840 test. Gary Barach FTDNA 177090 > From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:12 -0700 > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 and P109+I1d1 > > SNP L840 was discovered in the WTY of a P109+ I1d1 person; and it is now > in the FTDNA catalog. > > But information from 1000 Genomes suggests L840 may be far upstream in the > Y Tree and common to all of I1? So a thought out testing of L840 is > called for --- both far downstream private-like and far upstream location > for this new snp have to be checked for. 1000 Genomes has been wrong > before on their suggested haplogroup I snp-based phylogeny, but we need to > take their information into account or we waste lots of money and time. > > I would recommend four different kinds of initial tests on L840. > > 1) Someone from the 455 = 9 YCAb=20 cluster within P109+ but not relative > of known L840+ > 2) someone from P109+ but NOT in the 455=9 cluster > 3) Someone from L22+ but known P109- > 4) Someone from I1 but NOT L22+ > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message