-----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon I took a quick look at the 1000 Genomes Project data at this site (build 37 position 20834703), and it suggests that L840 is likely approximately with the SNPs (like M253) that define I1 (i.e. upstream of L22, Z58, Z63, Z131, DF29). I2 samples seem to be L840-. [["suggests"? Are you seeing some Z58+ or Z63+ or Z131+ as being L840+ and L22- ? That's the bottom line. Why are 1000 Genomes observations so often equivocal and just suggestions? Unfortunately we seem to have no I1xL22 order for the WTY in the pipeline as far as I can see. Otherwise, such a new WTY with coverage as extensive as that which found L480 would answer the question. KN ]]

The equivocation is due to two factors: 1. I don't want to discourage independent analysis of the data. It is easy to make mistakes with stuff like this, and I'm as susceptible to human error as anyone else. In other words, I'm not the final word and I don't want to convey the idea that I am. In fact, it would be great if one or two (or more) people with interest in Hg-I could learn how to explore and analyze the 1000 Genomes Project data, so you don't need to rely on me in the future. Several of us on DNA-Forums have tried to document the tools that we've used, but if there are questions beyond that, I'm sure myself or someone else can answer in a timely manner. 2. The data are not error-proof, and results can be misleading as we saw with Z77. Hence the verbiage like "the data seem to suggest". Samples from all the groups you mention (Z58+, Z63+, Z131+, and L22+) seem to be L840+. I'll take a look at L841-L848 now... On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > I took a quick look at the 1000 Genomes Project data at this site (build 37 > position 20834703), and it suggests that L840 is likely approximately with > the SNPs (like M253) that define I1 (i.e. upstream of L22, Z58, Z63, Z131, > DF29). I2 samples seem to be L840-. > > [["suggests"? Are you seeing some Z58+ or Z63+ or Z131+ as being L840+ and > L22- ? That's the bottom line. Why are 1000 Genomes observations so often > equivocal and just suggestions? > > Unfortunately we seem to have no I1xL22 order for the WTY in the pipeline > as > far as I can see. Otherwise, such a new WTY with coverage as extensive as > that which found L480 would answer the question. KN ]] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >