A P109+ I1d1 WTY today reports a new SNP L840. We must find out if confined to his family and relatives, is common to part or all of P109, or is even more widespread? Another L22+ WTY of a week or so ago seems not to have covered the site on the Y chromosome for this snp. Today's WTY report is for a person in a unique clade within P109+ that has DYS455 = 9 and YCAIIa,b = 19,20 It would make sense for someone else of this clade to be among the first testers of L840, then another not of this clade but in P109 to test for L840, then someone outside of P109+ but in L22+, etc. See what I am driving at? Anyway, we wait for L840 to enter the catalog. Incidently, this P109+ person with the brand new WTY is negative (ancestral) for the L813 found in a L22+ uN2 person. As far as significance; we won't know fully until we see how broad or narrow is the L840+ population. It is another tag to help us determine the sequence of clades branching off from each other in the Y Tree. We are now in the bushy part of the Y tree where this branching is very difficult to establish based only on STR markers. In fact, basic P109+ is virtually indistinquishable from basic L22+ based solely on STRs. In the best of all possible worlds, L840+ would do either 1) divide P109 in such a manner the division was correlated with geography, or 2) unite P109+ with some fraction of basic L22+, but leaving a solid hunk of basic L22+ outside, and with this division also correlated with geography. Ken -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:26 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] P109+ WTY found a new snp, L840 I'm in that group. Could you please explain the significance of this? (to a layman!) Thanks, John Ausman --- On Fri, 11/4/11, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> Subject: [yDNAhgI] P109+ WTY found a new snp, L840 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 4:19 PM L840 at position 19294091 was just announced in a person of the I1d1 P109+ haplogroup. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So how long does it usually take to get a new SNP into FTDNA's ordering system? melissa On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > A P109+ I1d1 WTY today reports a new SNP L840.  We must find out if confined > to his family and relatives, is common to part or all of P109, or is even > more widespread? snip Anyway, we wait for L840 to enter the > catalog. snip > In the best of all possible worlds, L840+ would do either 1) divide P109 in > such a manner the division was correlated with geography, or 2) unite P109+ > with some fraction of basic L22+, but leaving a solid hunk of basic L22+ > outside, and with this division also correlated with geography. > > Ken