Hi My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 Ysearch AETEN Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 16/12/2011 12:29:39 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] 392=12,385a=14 I1xL22 SuperClade? There seems to be a superclade, very old, in I1xL22 with characteristics DYS392=12, DYS385a=14, and being ancestral for Z58, Z63, Z131? Other STR identifiers are not there across the board. It includes I1-P, I1-AS7e, I1-AS1212. But how I1-AS4 (Wales) is related escapes me? And now this I1-P1/I1-P2 clash? Wish the focused snp tests would go through the system quicker. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > >

My interpretation, based on my old tmrca with AS2, and the young tmrca of AS2 itself, is that both lines after parting ways simply diverged as they will. I could not suggest yet what the haplotypes looked like at the beginning of Z139+. I see some commonalities among AS2, your haplotype, mine.... but it is not much to hang a hat on. -----Original Message----- From: owodom@mail.utexas.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message