Dear M223 Project Members, (with copies to FT DNA Customer Service, Thomas Krahn, Max Blankfeld, Bennett Greenspan and ISOGG, Genealogy-DNA and Y-DNA Haplogroup I mailing lists) After a new round of tests concluded tonight (12/20/2011) by Family Tree DNA, the M223 haplotree reveals itself to us in its new configuration. Our knowledge of the M223 haplogroup has probably never been this shaken with so many discoveries in such a short period of time. This "SNP revolution" would never have been made possible without the generous donations we have received toward our "Walk Through the Y" campaign. It would also never have been achieved without the cooperation of individual project members, who selflessly tested for these new SNP's as they were discovered, contributing to our general knowledge at their own private expense. These project members know who they are - their names can be found in the project donations page and in the M223 Y-DNA SNP results page as those who experimented with this new wave of SNP's. As we all enjoy the benefits of their generosity, it would be good to see other project members get involved as well so we can all equally share the costs of these research breakthroughs. Resulting from our group effort, here is how the new M223 tree stands tonight: 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) 1.1- L812 (Roots) 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) 1.5- M284* (Isles E) 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) As new SNP's were discovered in other areas of the I haplogroup as well, we have seen new nomenclature arise in the ISOGG 2011 Y-DNA tree for haplogroup I. We would all agree that diverging nomenclature can be extremely confusing. For example, M223 is now referred to as I2a2a by ISOGG, whereas it is called I2b1 by FT DNA. So, we hope FT DNA will expeditiously revise their I haplotree to reflect this new knowledge. In fact, SNP discoveries tend to become increasingly more frequent with the democratization of technology, so it would be useful to revise haplotree drafts on a more regular basis. The importance of revising haplotrees lies not only in the issue of conflicting nomenclature, but also in what is offered to the general public as part of the FT DNA "Deep Clade" tests. As we know, the current Deep Clade test offered to M223+ customers includes only the following SNP's: M284, L126/L137, M379, P78 and P95. There is very little knowledge to be gained by this outdated Deep Clade package, as results are highly predictable based on Y-STR (marker) values. For that reason, FT DNA now has a responsibility to all of us to include the new SNP's from the above haplotree in its M223 Deep Clade package as soon as possible: L801, L812, L319, L369, L623 and L147.4. We all hope the company will live by its commitment to its customers, so as to demonstrate its appreciation for our group efforts and continuous involvement. As we await these improvements, we should keep an eye out for a few Z series SNP's, which should be added to the FT DNA catalog in the near future. Among these SNP's, Z186 seems to be the most important, as it has the potential of being relevant to L801+ project members. A proposed draft by investigators of the 1,000 Genomes Project may be found here: http://www.box.com/shared/0ohfz417df8cvtc91jdh . Our M223 research cannot stop. We feel encouraged by the numerous SNP discoveries, which were made possible by our participation in the WTY program during the year of 2011. For that reason, we hope to continue exploring the possibilities offered by this program during the year of 2012. As you know, we rely on the generosity of our project members to make WTY possible. If you would like to make donations to our WTY fund, you may do so here: http://bit.ly/I2b1WTY . Indeed, at the moment, the project is looking for additional volunteers within the Cont subgroup of M223 (L801+) to participate in the Walk through the Y program (WTY). The project has enough funds to pay for half the cost of one exam ($350), so the participant would cover the remaining amount. If you are interested in participating in the program, please reply with your kit number. May the year of 2012 bring as much progress to our M223 research as the year that we now lock with golden keys*. Best regards, Aaron Torres M223 Project Administrator *A Portuguese Language expression, which means to conclude something in which one has had good fortune. Note: You may notice that SNP L380 does not appear on the above tree. That is because, at the same time that we discover new, useful SNP's, we are confronted with some SNP's that are a little more ambiguous and less reliable. L380 seems to be one of those. According to Dr. Krahn, responsible for the WTY program: "This is a fairly confusing marker because it is close to the Yp pseudoautosomal region and it probably recombines with the X chromosome more often than we like it." Based on tests taken by our project members, we learned that the occurrence of L380 in two of our WTY participants (kits 150778/Roots and 69631/Cont2a) was a mere coincidence due to X/Y recombination, and not a result of shared ancestry. As such, L380 may not be useful to our M223 research.

I have a Cont1 member who would likely be willing to take the WTY if I subsidized him, which I would be willing to do. He's #70816, a RAZEE in my Rasey project. He's already proven to be L801+ (and L380-). http://www.familytreedna.com/public/rasey/default.aspx?section=yresult s My Cont2a RASEY #69631 (L801+ L380+) turned out to be good luck for us, maybe my Cont1 RAZEE will be, too. Diana > From: Aaron Salles Torres > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:11 PM > <snip> > > Indeed, at the moment, the project is looking for > additional volunteers > within the Cont subgroup of M223 (L801+) to participate in the Walk > through the Y program (WTY). The project has enough funds to pay for > half the > cost of one exam ($350), so the participant would cover the > remaining > amount. If you are interested in participating in the program, > please reply with your kit number. > <snip>

Aaron, Ken says that kit 146456 is an outlier. Would it help to do a WTY with Nelson's DNA? If so I can pay for the half of the WTY Please let me know how to proceed if you think this will be beneficial. Belinda ----- Original Message ---- From: Aaron Salles Torres <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; ISOGG@yahoogroups.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 5:10:34 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] New M223 Tree Configuration Dear M223 Project Members, (with copies to FT DNA Customer Service, Thomas Krahn, Max Blankfeld, Bennett Greenspan and ISOGG, Genealogy-DNA and Y-DNA Haplogroup I mailing lists) After a new round of tests concluded tonight (12/20/2011) by Family Tree DNA, the M223 haplotree reveals itself to us in its new configuration. Our knowledge of the M223 haplogroup has probably never been this shaken with so many discoveries in such a short period of time. This "SNP revolution" would never have been made possible without the generous donations we have received toward our "Walk Through the Y" campaign. It would also never have been achieved without the cooperation of individual project members, who selflessly tested for these new SNP's as they were discovered, contributing to our general knowledge at their own private expense. These project members know who they are - their names can be found in the project donations page and in the M223 Y-DNA SNP results page as those who experimented with this new wave of SNP's. As we all enjoy the benefits of their generosity, it would be good to see other project members get involved as well so we can all equally share the costs of these research breakthroughs. Resulting from our group effort, here is how the new M223 tree stands tonight: 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) 1.1- L812 (Roots) 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) 1.5- M284* (Isles E) 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) As new SNP's were discovered in other areas of the I haplogroup as well, we have seen new nomenclature arise in the ISOGG 2011 Y-DNA tree for haplogroup I. We would all agree that diverging nomenclature can be extremely confusing. For example, M223 is now referred to as I2a2a by ISOGG, whereas it is called I2b1 by FT DNA. So, we hope FT DNA will expeditiously revise their I haplotree to reflect this new knowledge. In fact, SNP discoveries tend to become increasingly more frequent with the democratization of technology, so it would be useful to revise haplotree drafts on a more regular basis. The importance of revising haplotrees lies not only in the issue of conflicting nomenclature, but also in what is offered to the general public as part of the FT DNA "Deep Clade" tests. As we know, the current Deep Clade test offered to M223+ customers includes only the following SNP's: M284, L126/L137, M379, P78 and P95. There is very little knowledge to be gained by this outdated Deep Clade package, as results are highly predictable based on Y-STR (marker) values. For that reason, FT DNA now has a responsibility to all of us to include the new SNP's from the above haplotree in its M223 Deep Clade package as soon as possible: L801, L812, L319, L369, L623 and L147.4. We all hope the company will live by its commitment to its customers, so as to demonstrate its appreciation for our group efforts and continuous involvement. As we await these improvements, we should keep an eye out for a few Z series SNP's, which should be added to the FT DNA catalog in the near future. Among these SNP's, Z186 seems to be the most important, as it has the potential of being relevant to L801+ project members. A proposed draft by investigators of the 1,000 Genomes Project may be found here: http://www.box.com/shared/0ohfz417df8cvtc91jdh . Our M223 research cannot stop. We feel encouraged by the numerous SNP discoveries, which were made possible by our participation in the WTY program during the year of 2011. For that reason, we hope to continue exploring the possibilities offered by this program during the year of 2012. As you know, we rely on the generosity of our project members to make WTY possible. If you would like to make donations to our WTY fund, you may do so here: http://bit.ly/I2b1WTY . Indeed, at the moment, the project is looking for additional volunteers within the Cont subgroup of M223 (L801+) to participate in the Walk through the Y program (WTY). The project has enough funds to pay for half the cost of one exam ($350), so the participant would cover the remaining amount. If you are interested in participating in the program, please reply with your kit number. May the year of 2012 bring as much progress to our M223 research as the year that we now lock with golden keys*. Best regards, Aaron Torres M223 Project Administrator *A Portuguese Language expression, which means to conclude something in which one has had good fortune. Note: You may notice that SNP L380 does not appear on the above tree. That is because, at the same time that we discover new, useful SNP's, we are confronted with some SNP's that are a little more ambiguous and less reliable. L380 seems to be one of those. According to Dr. Krahn, responsible for the WTY program: "This is a fairly confusing marker because it is close to the Yp pseudoautosomal region and it probably recombines with the X chromosome more often than we like it." Based on tests taken by our project members, we learned that the occurrence of L380 in two of our WTY participants (kits 150778/Roots and 69631/Cont2a) was a mere coincidence due to X/Y recombination, and not a result of shared ancestry. As such, L380 may not be useful to our M223 research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Aaron and Kenneth deserves a thank you for the effort they put into the M223 project. I noticed that ISOGG revised Hg I yesterday without at least adding L801 to the list of "SNPs under Investigation". I guess we have to get more people to test that SNP right away. :-) I'm I right if I assume that L812+ is turning out to be a segment of Roots group 1? Or are there more L812+ people outside the M223 project? H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2011-12-21 18:10:34 MET > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, ISOGG@yahoogroups.com, y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] New M223 Tree Configuration > > [...] > > Resulting from our group effort, here is how the new M223 tree stands tonight: > > > 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) > 1.1- L812 (Roots) > 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) > 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) > 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) > 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) > 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) > 1.5- M284* (Isles E) > 1.5.1-L126, > L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) >

L801 has had a ton of rest results. Problem is with ISOGG -----Original Message----- From: Haakon Styri Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:16 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New M223 Tree Configuration I believe Aaron and Kenneth deserves a thank you for the effort they put into the M223 project. I noticed that ISOGG revised Hg I yesterday without at least adding L801 to the list of "SNPs under Investigation". I guess we have to get more people to test that SNP right away. :-) I'm I right if I assume that L812+ is turning out to be a segment of Roots group 1? Or are there more L812+ people outside the M223 project? H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2011-12-21 18:10:34 MET > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, ISOGG@yahoogroups.com, > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] New M223 Tree Configuration > > [...] > > Resulting from our group effort, here is how the new M223 tree stands > tonight: > > > 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) > 1.1- L812 (Roots) > 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) > 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) > 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) > 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) > 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) > 1.5- M284* (Isles E) > 1.5.1-L126, > L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Aaron You said: <<Indeed, at the moment, the project is looking for additional volunteers within the Cont subgroup of M223 (L801+) to participate in the Walk through the Y program (WTY). The project has enough funds to pay for half the cost of one exam ($350), so the participant would cover the remaining amount. If you are interested in participating in the program, please reply with your kit number.>> He may not be an ideal candidate as he has very few matches, but if you feel Kit 77830 can help with your proposed new WTY I am willing to contribute the remainder of the fee. He is I2b1 I-M223 (YSearch: XX7FG). His SNP test lineup is L147.1-, L801+, M223+, M284-, M379-, P78-, P95-. Please let me know if you decide this one is useful for your purposes and I will add the extra to the general fund. Regards Julie Frame Falk