Thanks for the question, Wil. Here is the latest news for I-P37.2 (still called I2a at FTDNA): 1) A Walk Through The Y for an I2a2a "Dinaric-S" person with ancestors from Bosnia was completed a few weeks ago, no new SNPs were discovered. 2) A new SNP called L880 was discovered by a lucky accident in one person from the I2a*-NF (Northern France) group. The only other known family in I2a*-NF was found to be L880+ a few days ago. All of the major groups of I2a are already known to be L880- but we still need to test someone from the I2a*-F (France) group (the group with DYS388=9). This new L880+ group would be called I2a4 at FTDNA or I2a1d at ISOGG and doesn't have a common ancestor for 10,000+ years with the other I-P37.2 groups Sardinian, Western, Dinaric, Isles. 3) The FTDNA I2a project has a new member with 111 markers, he is from southern Iraq and seems to be a very distant match to the I2a2b-"Isles" group. We hope to test him for L161, all the people matching the "Isles" modal have been L161+. 4) Finally, about the Z SNPs in your I2a1b group (part of "Sardinian" I2a1): we have a few more results which confirm what we already know. You (Wil Husted) belong to the Z106+ group but have tested negative for some Z SNPs which were found in the two Puerto Ricans in the 1000 genomes project (Z110, Z117, Z128, Z129). Another man in your Z106+ group has tested negative for all these SNPs also. His paternal ancestry is unknown. If we get a chance, we will try to test Spanish-ancestry people for these SNPs. We already had one person who was Z106- but was positive for several SNPs that most I2a1b people were negative for: he was Z118+ Z119+ Z125+ and last week he received Z126+ Z127+ results. His paternal ancestors are from western Germany. A second man with ancestors from France is also Z106- but Z118+ Z119+ Z125+. So to summarize, one year ago we only knew of the I2a1b (M26+ L160+) group which stretched from Iberia to Italy and Sardinia north through Switzerland to western Germany and Britain and Ireland. Thanks to the Z SNPs we have more levels in the tree: I2a1b* (M26+ L160+ Z118- Z106-) which contains 70% or so of the I2a1b population I2a1b1 (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106-) which is only around 5% of I2a1b and is found in Germany, France and based on STR matches, maybe England and Scotland also I2a1b1a (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+) which is less than half of the I2a1b population in Spain and is also found in Britain, so is maybe around 25% of the overall I2a1b population. Presumably there are also I2a1b1a1 people in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the Spanish world but so far they are only known from the 1000 Genomes data (they would be M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+ and also positive for some of Z110, Z117, Z128, Z129. It's possible that there are more levels to be found in the tree if we tested everyone an each group for all known Z SNPs, but I think most of the SNPs are equivalent to Z118 or Z106 and there aren't many/any more levels to be found. I will post a new message with the tree for I2a1b when a few more SNP tests are complete. Bernie Cullen volunteer co-administator I2a Project at FTDNA

--- On Tue, 12/27/11, Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2 Z-SNPs > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 8:54 PM > Thanks for the question, Wil. > > Here is the latest news for I-P37.2 (still called I2a at > FTDNA): > > 1) A Walk Through The Y for an I2a2a "Dinaric-S" person > with ancestors from > Bosnia was completed a few weeks ago, no new SNPs were > discovered. ******************************************************************* Two quickies: (a) Is this person L-147+ ? (b) Is the Disles group also L-147+ ?

Howdy Bernie, Many thanks for the update. I'll see if my primitive chart is up to date. Please me know if there is anything I can test that might prove useful. Wil -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:54 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2 Z-SNPs Thanks for the question, Wil. Here is the latest news for I-P37.2 (still called I2a at FTDNA): 1) A Walk Through The Y for an I2a2a "Dinaric-S" person with ancestors from Bosnia was completed a few weeks ago, no new SNPs were discovered. 2) A new SNP called L880 was discovered by a lucky accident in one person from the I2a*-NF (Northern France) group. The only other known family in I2a*-NF was found to be L880+ a few days ago. All of the major groups of I2a are already known to be L880- but we still need to test someone from the I2a*-F (France) group (the group with DYS388=9). This new L880+ group would be called I2a4 at FTDNA or I2a1d at ISOGG and doesn't have a common ancestor for 10,000+ years with the other I-P37.2 groups Sardinian, Western, Dinaric, Isles. 3) The FTDNA I2a project has a new member with 111 markers, he is from southern Iraq and seems to be a very distant match to the I2a2b-"Isles" group. We hope to test him for L161, all the people matching the "Isles" modal have been L161+. 4) Finally, about the Z SNPs in your I2a1b group (part of "Sardinian" I2a1): we have a few more results which confirm what we already know. You (Wil Husted) belong to the Z106+ group but have tested negative for some Z SNPs which were found in the two Puerto Ricans in the 1000 genomes project (Z110, Z117, Z128, Z129). Another man in your Z106+ group has tested negative for all these SNPs also. His paternal ancestry is unknown. If we get a chance, we will try to test Spanish-ancestry people for these SNPs. We already had one person who was Z106- but was positive for several SNPs that most I2a1b people were negative for: he was Z118+ Z119+ Z125+ and last week he received Z126+ Z127+ results. His paternal ancestors are from western Germany. A second man with ancestors from France is also Z106- but Z118+ Z119+ Z125+. So to summarize, one year ago we only knew of the I2a1b (M26+ L160+) group which stretched from Iberia to Italy and Sardinia north through Switzerland to western Germany and Britain and Ireland. Thanks to the Z SNPs we have more levels in the tree: I2a1b* (M26+ L160+ Z118- Z106-) which contains 70% or so of the I2a1b population I2a1b1 (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106-) which is only around 5% of I2a1b and is found in Germany, France and based on STR matches, maybe England and Scotland also I2a1b1a (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+) which is less than half of the I2a1b population in Spain and is also found in Britain, so is maybe around 25% of the overall I2a1b population. Presumably there are also I2a1b1a1 people in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the Spanish world but so far they are only known from the 1000 Genomes data (they would be M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+ and also positive for some of Z110, Z117, Z128, Z129. It's possible that there are more levels to be found in the tree if we tested everyone an each group for all known Z SNPs, but I think most of the SNPs are equivalent to Z118 or Z106 and there aren't many/any more levels to be found. I will post a new message with the tree for I2a1b when a few more SNP tests are complete. Bernie Cullen volunteer co-administator I2a Project at FTDNA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wilfred, I am Kit #78840 & ID #KSHQN on our FTDNA Family Project and had 67 markers tested. Is there anything more that I could have tested that might help at all? Best Regards, Richard Huestis Bridport, VT On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Wilfred Husted <wmhusted@hotmail.com> wrote: > Howdy Bernie, > > Many thanks for the update. I'll see if my primitive chart is up to date. > > Please me know if there is anything I can test that might prove useful. > > Wil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Cullen > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:54 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2 Z-SNPs > > Thanks for the question, Wil. > > Here is the latest news for I-P37.2 (still called I2a at FTDNA): > > 1) A Walk Through The Y for an I2a2a "Dinaric-S" person with ancestors from > Bosnia was completed a few weeks ago, no new SNPs were discovered. > 2) A new SNP called L880 was discovered by a lucky accident in one person > from the I2a*-NF (Northern France) group. The only other known family in > I2a*-NF was found to be L880+ a few days ago. All of the major groups of > I2a are already known to be L880- but we still need to test someone from > the I2a*-F (France) group (the group with DYS388=9). This new L880+ group > would be called I2a4 at FTDNA or I2a1d at ISOGG and doesn't have a common > ancestor for 10,000+ years with the other I-P37.2 groups Sardinian, > Western, Dinaric, Isles. > 3) The FTDNA I2a project has a new member with 111 markers, he is from > southern Iraq and seems to be a very distant match to the I2a2b-"Isles" > group. We hope to test him for L161, all the people matching the "Isles" > modal have been L161+. > > 4) Finally, about the Z SNPs in your I2a1b group (part of "Sardinian" > I2a1): we have a few more results which confirm what we already know. You > (Wil Husted) belong to the Z106+ group but have tested negative for some Z > SNPs which were found in the two Puerto Ricans in the 1000 genomes project > (Z110, Z117, Z128, Z129). Another man in your Z106+ group has tested > negative for all these SNPs also. His paternal ancestry is unknown. If we > get a chance, we will try to test Spanish-ancestry people for these SNPs. > We already had one person who was Z106- but was positive for several SNPs > that most I2a1b people were negative for: he was Z118+ Z119+ Z125+ and last > week he received Z126+ Z127+ results. His paternal ancestors are from > western Germany. A second man with ancestors from France is also Z106- but > Z118+ Z119+ Z125+. > > So to summarize, one year ago we only knew of the I2a1b (M26+ L160+) group > which stretched from Iberia to Italy and Sardinia north through Switzerland > to western Germany and Britain and Ireland. Thanks to the Z SNPs we have > more levels in the tree: > I2a1b* (M26+ L160+ Z118- Z106-) which contains 70% or so of the I2a1b > population > I2a1b1 (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106-) which is only around 5% of I2a1b and is > found in Germany, France and based on STR matches, maybe England and > Scotland also > I2a1b1a (M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+) which is less than half of the I2a1b > population in Spain and is also found in Britain, so is maybe around 25% of > the overall I2a1b population. > Presumably there are also I2a1b1a1 people in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in > the Spanish world but so far they are only known from the 1000 Genomes data > (they would be M26+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+ and also positive for some of Z110, > Z117, Z128, Z129. > > It's possible that there are more levels to be found in the tree if we > tested everyone an each group for all known Z SNPs, but I think most of the > SNPs are equivalent to Z118 or Z106 and there aren't many/any more levels > to be found. > > I will post a new message with the tree for I2a1b when a few more SNP tests > are complete. > > Bernie Cullen > volunteer co-administator I2a Project at FTDNA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Richard, It's good to hear from you. At last, someone else interested in our deeper Husted ancestry! Upgrading to 68-111 markers at FTDNA would be very helpful. I don't want to do this because I already have all but a few of the markers from other sources in this panel. I tested for 13 new SNPs and the results are available at: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=yresults Bernie Cullen maintains this site and has just about all the DNA data for our I2 haplogroup. I think that we share the same results for the Z series SNPs. I'm 40308 Husted in the SNP list. Bernie, please correct me if I'm wrong. Wil -----Original Message----- From: Richard Huestis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:55 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2 Z-SNPs Hi Wilfred, I am Kit #78840 & ID #KSHQN on our FTDNA Family Project and had 67 markers tested. Is there anything more that I could have tested that might help at all? Best Regards, Richard Huestis Bridport, VT