Hi I have not tested for Z58 or Z139 but going by Ken's chart for I1 can I assume I would test positive for these or should I test to see what results I would get. Is there any thing else I could test for. Ray Jenkins I1-M253- AS2 Z138+ Ysearch AETEN -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 16/12/2011 5:29:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ My interpretation, based on my old tmrca with AS2, and the young tmrca of AS2 itself, is that both lines after parting ways simply diverged as they will. I could not suggest yet what the haplotypes looked like at the beginning of Z139+. I see some commonalities among AS2, your haplotype, mine.... but it is not much to hang a hat on. -----Original Message----- From: owodom@mail.utexas.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Z138+ for AS2 supports the other AS2 found Z58+ and Z139+ I don't think there is anything more for you to test right now. But a couple more AS2 people confirming the Z138/139 branch would be good. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ Hi I have not tested for Z58 or Z139 but going by Ken's chart for I1 can I assume I would test positive for these or should I test to see what results I would get. Is there any thing else I could test for. Ray Jenkins I1-M253- AS2 Z138+ Ysearch AETEN -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 16/12/2011 5:29:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ My interpretation, based on my old tmrca with AS2, and the young tmrca of AS2 itself, is that both lines after parting ways simply diverged as they will. I could not suggest yet what the haplotypes looked like at the beginning of Z139+. I see some commonalities among AS2, your haplotype, mine.... but it is not much to hang a hat on. -----Original Message----- From: owodom@mail.utexas.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My AS2 CORBIN (#143803) is testing Z58, Z138, and Z139 (Batch 442, results expected 1/25). He belongs to the yDNA-Hap I project, so as co-admin, you'll see his results when they come in. Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:43 PM > > Z138+ for AS2 supports the other AS2 found Z58+ > and Z139+ I don't think there is anything more > for you to test right now. But a couple more > AS2 people confirming the Z138/139 branch would > be good.