Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 6:36 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I-P109 sub tree You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? [[Yes, indeed it does survive weeding and unites those four. I just missed it. As is pretty clear, P109 tree is preliminary; it does not include unique NVs for many individuals yet. KN]]

It must be; my husband, Kit 267833, is CTS6364+ CTS10028- so that has to be a downstream SNP. Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 23 May 2014, at 01:28, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > S6346 and CTS10028 should be downstream of CTS6364 based on Personal Genome > Project results for PGP5 (Kirk Maxey) who appears to be CTS6364+ S6346- and > CTS10028- > > I may be stating the obvious here, but, this, in conjunction with the > Chromo2 result that Ken mentions and the Archerd FGC results, suggests the > following sequence: > CTS6364 > CTS10028 > S6346 > L22 > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:54 PM, <william.archerd.sr@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am the Archerd showing on Ken Nordtvedt's I1 L22+ Tree. Various tests >> taken some time ago at Ethnoancestry and FTDNA established that I am DF29+, >> CTS6364+, CTS10028+ and L22-. >> >> In April I received my Full Genomes results, which confirmed what I knew >> and seemed to add the following after CTS10028: FGC2488+, S6346+, >> Z9853/FGC7561+ and F4092+. My private SNPs start after that. >> >> Apparently there has been one other sighting of F4092+ (NA20512). Greg >> Magoon informed me that the other sighting is a R1b person from Tuscany. >> [F4092 = ChrY 8109742.] >> >> I had the Full Genomes results analyzed by YFull, which reported that my >> terminal SNP was CTS6364/Z2336 and that I was I1a1*. YFull said that >> CTS10028 and S6346 were "equivalent or upstream" of I1a1. >> >> I joined the L22 group at YFull to see if I could learn anything about the >> point where I might break away from L22+ people. >> >> All sixteen L22 group members were CTS10028+ (ChrY = 19217149). Ten were >> S6346+ (ChrY = 3662036). >> >> My "brick wall" has been confirmed but at least I have my private SNPs >> identified. I will keep hoping for a cousin. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

S6346 and CTS10028 should be downstream of CTS6364 based on Personal Genome Project results for PGP5 (Kirk Maxey) who appears to be CTS6364+ S6346- and CTS10028- I may be stating the obvious here, but, this, in conjunction with the Chromo2 result that Ken mentions and the Archerd FGC results, suggests the following sequence: CTS6364 > CTS10028 > S6346 > L22 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:54 PM, <william.archerd.sr@gmail.com> wrote: > I am the Archerd showing on Ken Nordtvedt's I1 L22+ Tree. Various tests > taken some time ago at Ethnoancestry and FTDNA established that I am DF29+, > CTS6364+, CTS10028+ and L22-. > > In April I received my Full Genomes results, which confirmed what I knew > and seemed to add the following after CTS10028: FGC2488+, S6346+, > Z9853/FGC7561+ and F4092+. My private SNPs start after that. > > Apparently there has been one other sighting of F4092+ (NA20512). Greg > Magoon informed me that the other sighting is a R1b person from Tuscany. > [F4092 = ChrY 8109742.] > > I had the Full Genomes results analyzed by YFull, which reported that my > terminal SNP was CTS6364/Z2336 and that I was I1a1*. YFull said that > CTS10028 and S6346 were "equivalent or upstream" of I1a1. > > I joined the L22 group at YFull to see if I could learn anything about the > point where I might break away from L22+ people. > > All sixteen L22 group members were CTS10028+ (ChrY = 19217149). Ten were > S6346+ (ChrY = 3662036). > > My "brick wall" has been confirmed but at least I have my private SNPs > identified. I will keep hoping for a cousin. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Person "147" who did the Chromo2 test at BritainsDNA shows CTS100028+ L22- S6346- Is that you? If not, he is interesting person compared to you. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:54 AM To: YDNA-Rootsweb Subject: [yDNAhgI] Brick Wall at CTS6364+ I am the Archerd showing on Ken Nordtvedt's I1 L22+ Tree. Various tests taken some time ago at Ethnoancestry and FTDNA established that I am DF29+, CTS6364+, CTS10028+ and L22-. In April I received my Full Genomes results, which confirmed what I knew and seemed to add the following after CTS10028: FGC2488+, S6346+, Z9853/FGC7561+ and F4092+. My private SNPs start after that. Apparently there has been one other sighting of F4092+ (NA20512). Greg Magoon informed me that the other sighting is a R1b person from Tuscany. [F4092 = ChrY 8109742.] I had the Full Genomes results analyzed by YFull, which reported that my terminal SNP was CTS6364/Z2336 and that I was I1a1*. YFull said that CTS10028 and S6346 were "equivalent or upstream" of I1a1. I joined the L22 group at YFull to see if I could learn anything about the point where I might break away from L22+ people. All sixteen L22 group members were CTS10028+ (ChrY = 19217149). Ten were S6346+ (ChrY = 3662036). My "brick wall" has been confirmed but at least I have my private SNPs identified. I will keep hoping for a cousin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am the Archerd showing on Ken Nordtvedt's I1 L22+ Tree. Various tests taken some time ago at Ethnoancestry and FTDNA established that I am DF29+, CTS6364+, CTS10028+ and L22-. In April I received my Full Genomes results, which confirmed what I knew and seemed to add the following after CTS10028: FGC2488+, S6346+, Z9853/FGC7561+ and F4092+. My private SNPs start after that. Apparently there has been one other sighting of F4092+ (NA20512). Greg Magoon informed me that the other sighting is a R1b person from Tuscany. [F4092 = ChrY 8109742.] I had the Full Genomes results analyzed by YFull, which reported that my terminal SNP was CTS6364/Z2336 and that I was I1a1*. YFull said that CTS10028 and S6346 were "equivalent or upstream" of I1a1. I joined the L22 group at YFull to see if I could learn anything about the point where I might break away from L22+ people. All sixteen L22 group members were CTS10028+ (ChrY = 19217149). Ten were S6346+ (ChrY = 3662036). My "brick wall" has been confirmed but at least I have my private SNPs identified. I will keep hoping for a cousin.

Someone asked me the question below and here is my response for anyone who is interested. Maybe other people would make other points--Bernie Question: Thank you for interesting information. But I can not understand one thing: "... 5 Dinaric-North people are S17250- and 7 Dinaric-North people are S17250+. And *all 5 Dinaric-South people who have done the test are S17250+"* How is it possible? Some Dinaric-North people (S17250+) is closer to Dinaric-South people than the other Dinaric-North people (S17250-)? Answer: That is a good question. The Dinaric-North and Dinaric-South groups are "clusters" based on two STR marker values, DYS448 and DYS449. There is a strong correlation: when a I-CTS5966 "Dinaric" man has a low value for DYS448 he almost always has a low marker value for DYS449. Most people in I-P37 have the value DYS448=20, for example, this is the common value in the I-L161 "Isles" group. But the Dinaric-South group has the rare DYS448=19 value. I think that the ancestor of all Dinaric people had the DYS448=20 value and more recently a man with DYS448=19 was the ancestor of most of the Dinaric-South people. I think that Dinaric-South is a group that is almost all descended from a common ancestor and I think that the Dinaric-South group contains almost all the male-line descendants of that ancestor. This is what we call a clade. (It is not a perfect clade because the STR markers can change at any generation). On the other hand, Dinaric-North has the common value DYS448=20 and I don't think Dinaric-North is a clade. Probably there are many clades within the Dinarics with DYS448=20, but unfortunately we can't see any patterns of rare marker values. In the case of Dinaric-South we are lucky and we can see the clade from the marker value DYS448=19 (which is correlated with DYS449=30 or another low value). To put it another way, I think the pattern for Dinaric-North (DYS448=20 and DYS449=32 or another high value) is really the absence of a pattern. And we could call Dinaric-North something like "Dinaric-generic". But by using the Dinaric-North and Dinaric-South names we are giving the important information that the people with DYS448=19 and low DYS449 are found mostly in Southeastern Europe (they are also found in western places like Germany, but all Dinarics are not so common in Germany). I hope this is useful to you. These are just my thoughts and I may have made some mistakes, Bernie

See today’s updated AS1BigY tree which just acquired its third Hamilton branch. All Hamiltons in AS1 descend from founding Hamilton who lived about 700 years ago. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Gilbert is his adoptive surname he is down as 267833 ??(unknown) Ilfracombe, Devon, UK in I1 haplogroup project. he has tested 111 markers. Carol Gilbert On 21 May 2014, at 14:01, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. > > Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert is > in this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, CTS6364+, > L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > >> Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, >> L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 >> folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? >> Carol Gilbert >> okusgold@me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >>> CTS6364+ >>> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Simonds >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> >>> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >>> Matthew Simonds >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >>>> Best, >>>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>>> Mayka >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >>>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >>>> I >>>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>>> positives/negatives. >>>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >>>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>>> are >>>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>>> moment >>>> I >>>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>>> requested >>>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >>>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, CTS6364+, L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > >> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is CTS6364+ >> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Simonds >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >> >> >> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >> Matthew Simonds >> >> >> >>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> Hi Larry, >>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >>> Best, >>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>> Mayka >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >>> I >>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>> positives/negatives. >>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are >>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment >>> I >>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>> requested >>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>> >>> >>> >>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, L1275- . We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is CTS6364+ > L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > > What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? > Matthew Simonds > > > >> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >> >> Hi Larry, >> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >> Best, >> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >> Mayka >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >> >> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >> I >> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >> positives/negatives. >> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >> >> >> >> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are >> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >> >> >> >> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment >> I >> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >> >> >> >> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >> requested >> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >> >> >> >> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't see 267833 being I1-P; just a CTS6364+ L69+ generic right now. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Gilbert is his adoptive surname he is down as 267833 ??(unknown) Ilfracombe, Devon, UK in I1 haplogroup project. he has tested 111 markers. Carol Gilbert On 21 May 2014, at 14:01, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. > > Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert > is > in this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, > CTS6364+, > L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > >> Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, >> L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 >> folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? >> Carol Gilbert >> okusgold@me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >>> CTS6364+ >>> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Simonds >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> >>> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >>> Matthew Simonds >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your >>>> research? >>>> Best, >>>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>>> Mayka >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his >>>> novel >>>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are >>>> CTS6364+). >>>> I >>>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>>> positives/negatives. >>>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He >>>> is >>>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>>> are >>>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>>> moment >>>> I >>>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>>> requested >>>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as >>>> some >>>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll take a look. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Gilbert is his adoptive surname he is down as 267833 ??(unknown) Ilfracombe, Devon, UK in I1 haplogroup project. he has tested 111 markers. Carol Gilbert On 21 May 2014, at 14:01, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. > > Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert > is > in this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, > CTS6364+, > L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > >> Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, >> L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 >> folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? >> Carol Gilbert >> okusgold@me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >>> CTS6364+ >>> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> >>> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Simonds >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> >>> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >>> Matthew Simonds >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your >>>> research? >>>> Best, >>>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>>> Mayka >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>>> >>>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his >>>> novel >>>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are >>>> CTS6364+). >>>> I >>>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>>> positives/negatives. >>>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He >>>> is >>>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>>> are >>>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>>> moment >>>> I >>>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>>> requested >>>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as >>>> some >>>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If CTS10028- and L69+ then L22- must follow. Being in I1-P is seen from STR haplotypes. I'll have to see if a Gilbert is in this clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Carol Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:12 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Omitted to add he is also CTS10028- . So in full, he is I1-M253+, CTS6364+, L69+, L1275-, CTS10028-, Z58-, Z63- Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 21 May 2014, at 10:00, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > Ken, does that make my husband, kit 267833, I1-P? He is CTS6364+, L69+, > L1275-. We haven't tested L22 because he is DYS390=22 and all the L22 > folk are =23 so it seemed pointless. Should we have tested? > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 21 May 2014, at 03:14, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is >> CTS6364+ >> L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Simonds >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >> >> >> What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? >> Matthew Simonds >> >> >> >>> From: msskarbek@gmail.com >>> To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> Hi Larry, >>> Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? >>> Best, >>> Marek Skarbek Kozietulski >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence >>> Mayka >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P >>> >>> As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel >>> variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). >>> I >>> used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false >>> positives/negatives. >>> I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is >>> negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 >>> are >>> not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same >>> position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the >>> moment >>> I >>> requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and >>> S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I >>> requested >>> tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing >>> CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. >>> >>> >>> >>> Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some >>> others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. >>> These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not >>> request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? Matthew Simonds > From: msskarbek@gmail.com > To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Hi Larry, > Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? > Best, > Marek Skarbek Kozietulski > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mayka > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel > variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). I > used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false positives/negatives. > I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. > > > > The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is > negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are > not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same > position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. > > > > The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment I > requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. > > > > The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and > S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I requested > tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing > CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. > > > > Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some > others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. > These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not > request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I1-P is a clade found mainly in Poland,Prussia, Pomerania. It is CTS6364+ L69+ L22- See "Tree for I1xZ58xL22xZ63" Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 7:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P What is I1-P? What is the terminal SNP? Matthew Simonds > From: msskarbek@gmail.com > To: lgmayka@ieee.org; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:06:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > Hi Larry, > Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? > Best, > Marek Skarbek Kozietulski > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence > Mayka > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P > > As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel > variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). > I > used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false > positives/negatives. > I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. > > > > The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is > negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are > not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same > position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. > > > > The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment > I > requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. > > > > The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and > S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I > requested > tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing > CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. > > > > Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some > others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. > These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not > request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

S2007 is far upstream and shows derived in dozens of I1 people spread all over the tree. I am not sure exactly where it sits, however. I am trying to wean myself off of new snp names, even though some people continue to give them names. Location numbers seem to be a more stable identifying tag for them. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:15 PM To: lgmayka@ieee.org ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Mayka Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:56 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I requested tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. [[S20246=17816063 shows derived (novel variant) for many, many I1 located all over the tree. I don't think it useful for the more localized M227/I1-P region. I find location 8876684 a good weeded snp unique to I1-P and M227. KN]] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Mayka Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:56 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I requested tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. [[S20246=17816063 shows derived (novel variant) for many, many I1 located all over the tree. I don't think it useful for the more localized M227/I1-P region. I find location 8876684 a good weeded snp unique to I1-P and M227. KN]]

Hi Larry, Are there any SNPs which I could order for me to progress your research? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mayka Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:56 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNPs for I1-P As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). I used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false positives/negatives. I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment I requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I requested tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I know, only one I1-P has Big Y results. I compared his novel variants against those of an I1-M227 (because both clades are CTS6364+). I used other I1 examples (Z63, DF29*) to winnow out false positives/negatives. I then compared my results against Ken's Chromo2I1xZ58xL22. The I1-P (and no one else among these) is S7642+ S7657+ S16432+ . He is negative for CTS3322 (= S3877), and the locations of S11236 and S24397 are not listed as novel variants for him; so he appears to be in the same position as sample 150 in Ken's diagram. The I1-P has other novel variants not found in others, but for the moment I requested from FTDNA only S7642 as an individual test. The I1-P and M227 (and no one else I looked at) share S4767, S4795, and S20246, among others. S4767 and S4795 are on Ken's diagram, so I requested tests for them, with the idea that these may be useful for categorizing CTS6364+ men who don't fit cleanly into popular clades. Interestingly, two named SNPs (S2007/Y1932 and FGC7050), as well as some others, are shared by I1-P, M227, and DF29* (kit E16729), but not Z63. These SNPs don't appear on Ken's diagram, though, so for now I did not request tests for either of them. Perhaps I should?

The URL didn't come out correctly. Here it is again: http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/05/important-new-snps-for-dinarics.html So far, most or all of those who are negative for S17250 have patrilineage originating near the Carpathians, particularly southeastern Poland and extreme western Ukraine. That pattern may change with more sampling, of course. Besides S17250, I have requested from FTDNA individual SNP tests for the following: Y3548 Z16970 Z16971 YFC010724 Y3118 Z16983 (17558968) From: Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> Thanks to those Dinarics who have done Big Y or tested at YSEQ, and thanks to Larry Mayka of the Polish Project and Zdenko Markovic of the I2a project for analyzing the data. Please see our new Dinaric tree here http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/05/important-new-snps-for-dinarics.htmla nd please feel free to contact me for the most recent advice before you order S17250 or any other test.