I downloaded your tree and found the locations. ---------------------------------------- > > Ken, > > List the locations and I will see what I can find. > > John O'Grady > > ---------------------------------------- >> >> It gives me "not found" no matter what location I put into it. >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt

Ken, List the locations and I will see what I can find. John O'Grady ---------------------------------------- > > It gives me "not found" no matter what location I put into it. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt

The ones I was interested in yesterday were not there, or if so with only the most cursory information. A directory is much quicker to learn what you want than looking them up individually. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:08 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] FGC and Y series snps I think Thomas Krahn now shows most of the FGC and Y SNPs at Y Browse < http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/>, which is searchable by SNP name or by Y chromosome location. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > What is the link to directories for FGC and Y series snp locations? > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Thomas Krahn now shows most of the FGC and Y SNPs at Y Browse < http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/>, which is searchable by SNP name or by Y chromosome location. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > What is the link to directories for FGC and Y series snp locations? > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, Comparing BigY results for SNP S10269 to Chromo2 results for the same marker leaves me a bit puzzled. FTDNA reports a G as ancestral and a T as derived while BritainDNA reports T as ancestral and T as derived Is this a matter of different strands being used -or- a matter of other ancestral references being used? Best wishes, Hans

No My husband hasn't done Chromo2. It is CTS6364 he is positive for not CTS6346, was that a typo? He is in the I1 project as 267833 ??? Unknown of Ilfracombe, Devon Carol Gilbert okusgold@me.com On 23 May 2014, at 17:56, william.archerd.sr@gmail.com wrote: > Responding to: > > Kenneth Nordtvedt: I am NOT person 147 of Chromo2. I have not done Chromo 2. > > Greg Magoon: I agree with your suggested sequence but was thrown off > balance a bit by the Yfull suggestion that CTS10028 and S6346 were > equivalent or upstream of CTS6364. > > Carol Gilbert: What does your husband have for S6346? Is your husband the > PGP5 mentioned by Greg Magoon or is he #147 of Chromo2? > > William Hartley: I've sent you some off-list comments on the analysis you > kindly provided me. Your analysis indicates to me that #147 is negative at > S6346. > > Bill Archerd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the link to directories for FGC and Y series snp locations? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

I'd forget about all those "reports" and just consider the data. Everyone in haplogroup I is AA except SOME of the L39 who are GG. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Hans De Beule Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:39 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Question regarding S10269 Hi List, Comparing BigY results for SNP S10269 to Chromo2 results for the same marker leaves me a bit puzzled. FTDNA reports a G as ancestral and a T as derived while BritainDNA reports T as ancestral and T as derived Is this a matter of different strands being used -or- a matter of other ancestral references being used? Best wishes, Hans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I just discovered your I-P109 tree out of the BigY. Pretty interesting. You can see attached what we have done in the I-P109 project (the slide is also visible on the I1 facebook group). This is a merge of Chromo2 results and the BigY (from BED and VCF files). We have been focusing on the common SNPs rather than the private ones. Note that all the positions needs to be confirmed as not all members have been showing any results on them. It is therefore not possible to conclude if they are positive or negative (although we tend to think they would be negative). We will try to confirm them through the YFull interpretation. Your tree is very similar with 1 main difference: You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? Also there is a couple of positions that are actually existing SNPs like (from Chromo2, so unknown for FTDNA): 21878855 = S23679 21423149 = S23062 Also, not appearing in your tree, there is some known SNPs that appear unique to some individuals. But this is impossible to capture from the new novel variant files, you would need to look at the VCF files. Regards, Nicolas.

I was gathering intelligence but have since dropped out of the group because I am L22-. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > What are you doing in L22 group? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:45 PM > To: YDNA-Rootsweb > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Brick Wall at S6346 (was CTS6364) > > Kenneth Nordtvedt asked: "Who has the evidence S6346 is split upstream from > L22. I know it is downstream of CTS10028?" > > Does this help? I participated in the YFull "L22 Group" for about a month. > To my knowledge I was the only L22- person in this group. > > On April 30, 2014, I ran a comparison (using the YFull chromosome browser > available to the group). I compared Y-Chr 19217149 (CTS10028), 26170533 > (FGC2488), 3662036 (S6346), 25095052 (Z9853), and 8576009 (L22). > > For S6346 I and 10 others were T rather than the reference sequence of C. I > think T means S6346+. > > For L22 I was the only A and 13 of the others were C. A is the reference > sequence. A means, I think, L22-, and C means L22+ > > I have a jpg file of the above chromosome browser comparison and will share > it offline for those who wish to have it. > > Bill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What are you doing in L22 group? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:45 PM To: YDNA-Rootsweb Subject: [yDNAhgI] Brick Wall at S6346 (was CTS6364) Kenneth Nordtvedt asked: "Who has the evidence S6346 is split upstream from L22. I know it is downstream of CTS10028?" Does this help? I participated in the YFull "L22 Group" for about a month. To my knowledge I was the only L22- person in this group. On April 30, 2014, I ran a comparison (using the YFull chromosome browser available to the group). I compared Y-Chr 19217149 (CTS10028), 26170533 (FGC2488), 3662036 (S6346), 25095052 (Z9853), and 8576009 (L22). For S6346 I and 10 others were T rather than the reference sequence of C. I think T means S6346+. For L22 I was the only A and 13 of the others were C. A is the reference sequence. A means, I think, L22-, and C means L22+ I have a jpg file of the above chromosome browser comparison and will share it offline for those who wish to have it. Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kenneth Nordtvedt asked: "Who has the evidence S6346 is split upstream from L22. I know it is downstream of CTS10028?" Does this help? I participated in the YFull "L22 Group" for about a month. To my knowledge I was the only L22- person in this group. On April 30, 2014, I ran a comparison (using the YFull chromosome browser available to the group). I compared Y-Chr 19217149 (CTS10028), 26170533 (FGC2488), 3662036 (S6346), 25095052 (Z9853), and 8576009 (L22). For S6346 I and 10 others were T rather than the reference sequence of C. I think T means S6346+. For L22 I was the only A and 13 of the others were C. A is the reference sequence. A means, I think, L22-, and C means L22+ I have a jpg file of the above chromosome browser comparison and will share it offline for those who wish to have it. Bill

People keep naming new snps, no matter how many are discovered. Anyone have links to directories for positions of YGC, Y, A ... and other new series of snps? I have S series locations directory provided by BritainsDNA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Who has the evidence S6346 is split upstream from L22. I kinow it is downstream of CTS10028? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:08 PM To: YDNA-Rootsweb Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Brick Wall at CTS6364+ Carol - not a typo. I was referring to S6346 of Chromo 2. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > No My husband hasn't done Chromo2. It is CTS6364 he is positive for not > CTS6346, was that a typo? > He is in the I1 project as 267833 ??? Unknown of Ilfracombe, Devon > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 23 May 2014, at 17:56, william.archerd.sr@gmail.com wrote: > > > Responding to: > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt: I am NOT person 147 of Chromo2. I have not done > Chromo 2. > > > > Greg Magoon: I agree with your suggested sequence but was thrown off > > balance a bit by the Yfull suggestion that CTS10028 and S6346 were > > equivalent or upstream of CTS6364. > > > > Carol Gilbert: What does your husband have for S6346? Is your husband > > the > > PGP5 mentioned by Greg Magoon or is he #147 of Chromo2? > > > > William Hartley: I've sent you some off-list comments on the analysis > > you > > kindly provided me. Your analysis indicates to me that #147 is negative > at > > S6346. > > > > Bill Archerd > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol - not a typo. I was referring to S6346 of Chromo 2. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Carol Gilbert <okusgold@me.com> wrote: > No My husband hasn't done Chromo2. It is CTS6364 he is positive for not > CTS6346, was that a typo? > He is in the I1 project as 267833 ??? Unknown of Ilfracombe, Devon > > Carol Gilbert > okusgold@me.com > > > > > > > On 23 May 2014, at 17:56, william.archerd.sr@gmail.com wrote: > > > Responding to: > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt: I am NOT person 147 of Chromo2. I have not done > Chromo 2. > > > > Greg Magoon: I agree with your suggested sequence but was thrown off > > balance a bit by the Yfull suggestion that CTS10028 and S6346 were > > equivalent or upstream of CTS6364. > > > > Carol Gilbert: What does your husband have for S6346? Is your husband the > > PGP5 mentioned by Greg Magoon or is he #147 of Chromo2? > > > > William Hartley: I've sent you some off-list comments on the analysis you > > kindly provided me. Your analysis indicates to me that #147 is negative > at > > S6346. > > > > Bill Archerd > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ken, I just discovered your I-P109 tree out of the BigY. Pretty interesting. You can see attached what we have done in the I-P109 project (the slide is also visible on the I1 facebook group). This is a merge of Chromo2 results and the BigY (from BED and VCF files). We have been focusing on the common SNPs rather than the private ones. Note that all the positions needs to be confirmed as not all members have been showing any results on them. It is therefore not possible to conclude if they are positive or negative (although we tend to think they would be negative). We will try to confirm them through the YFull interpretation. Your tree is very similar with 1 main difference: You seem to exclude position 17819410 that I previously asked to be seeded. It regroups (in your slide) "Ca", "R", "Cr" and "A". Have you seeded it and concluded that it was not a reliable position? Also there is a couple of positions that are actually existing SNPs like (from Chromo2, so unknown for FTDNA): 21878855 = S23679 21423149 = S23062 Also, not appearing in your tree, there is some known SNPs that appear unique to some individuals. But this is impossible to capture from the new novel variant files, you would need to look at the VCF files. Regards, Nicolas.

Responding to: Kenneth Nordtvedt: I am NOT person 147 of Chromo2. I have not done Chromo 2. Greg Magoon: I agree with your suggested sequence but was thrown off balance a bit by the Yfull suggestion that CTS10028 and S6346 were equivalent or upstream of CTS6364. Carol Gilbert: What does your husband have for S6346? Is your husband the PGP5 mentioned by Greg Magoon or is he #147 of Chromo2? William Hartley: I've sent you some off-list comments on the analysis you kindly provided me. Your analysis indicates to me that #147 is negative at S6346. Bill Archerd

If you are I-M223 or any of it's sub-branches and have or plan to have your Big Y or other BAM file submitted to Yfull for analysis, there is now a I-M223 group that you can join to compare results. The 9 reference M223+ samples are are attached to the group.

Hello ​Bill the last correspondence I sent you on May 1st included this tree: On 1 May 2014 18:06, I'm pretty certain #3662036 S6346 is right next to L22, you are negative [just upstream] so the tree looks like it goes: DF29/S438 -> CTS6364 -> CTS10028 -> ARCHERD \ #147 S6346 [or could be just down from L22] \ L22/S142 subbranch -> \ -> CTS11651 the big Norse subbranch [P109, L69, Z74 etc] -> \ -> S19986 subbranch -> \ -> S4744 subbranch [L300 etc] -> #147 is negative for S142 [L22] so must be between you and L22/S142 Did you read the analysis I included ? I never heard back from you. William Hartley I1-M253, Z140 Projects On 23 May 2014 01:40, <y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "G. Magoon" <gregm4584@gmail.com> > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:28:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Brick Wall at CTS6364+ > S6346 and CTS10028 should be downstream of CTS6364 based on Personal Genome > Project results for PGP5 (Kirk Maxey) who appears to be CTS6364+ S6346- and > CTS10028- > > I may be stating the obvious here, but, this, in conjunction with the > Chromo2 result that Ken mentions and the Archerd FGC results, suggests the > following sequence: > CTS6364 > CTS10028 > S6346 > L22 >

See the Z2040 sector in the “Tree for I1 Z58+ Z60-“ This sector is dominated by the large AS3 Z382+ clade, but it contains many more robust clades. BigY gives 12 new snps in this sector for which I find no S series names or find in Krahn’s SNP browser. They divide in same manner the Z2040 population quite strongly into two parts. Perhaps the FGC series of snps have given some of these 12 snps names? Dr Krahn has provided a spreadsheet with locations for all the Chromo2 S series snps. Is there a similar spreadsheet giving locations for all the named FGC series snps? If so, what is the link? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net