So maybe my earthquake alarm was too conservative? Perhaps invasion by hostile aliens? It even made my PC get tied up in knots as I hit keys too fast in my anger. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Mayka Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:02 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Beware - BIG Y results being altered Whatever's going on is much worse than a mere shifting of variants from one list to another. One Big Y result in my project was re-released today. The previous results, including a classification of Q-Z780 (or equivalently Q-CTS1780), looked complete and consistent with themselves, with 25 STRs, and with a backbone result of P36+, even though unusual for my project. (I suspected that someone was fibbing on the adoption papers.) The new classification is R-Z367. But more importantly, the new Big Y results look incomplete and inconsistent with themselves, and certainly totally inconsistent with STRs and the backbone test. Although Z367 is a subclade of R-L2, he did not test positive for any of L2, U152, P312, P310, L11, L51, L23, M269, P297, P25, M343, or M207. In another project I co-administer, one of the re-released Big Y results looks incomplete. The previous results included CTS1211+ and CTS3402+ as expected from 67 STRs, whereas the new results omit both of those and classify him merely as R-Z280. From: "Wayne R. Roberts" <i.m223.roberts@gmail.com> I have just seen four members of the I-M223 Project appear in the Received Results list Big Y results. All four have previously received results. On look at their Big Y results, I see the number of their Novel Variants have been reduced by over half, in the case of one member his High and Medium confidence Novels have gone from 269 down to 68. WTF is going on at FTDNA. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ftdna being in Houston, maybe to the Moon? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:51 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Beware - BIG Y results being altered Kenneth, I saw your message just after I finished posting mine. And regretably, I do not see any FGC, S or Y series in the positives for Known SNPs, so where have all those Novel Variants gone? On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > Did you see my just released message? I noticed same thing in I1. I have > put new and old version of someone's NVs side by side, and using some > criterion they have stripped out a large fraction of the old NVs and I > assume have them showing up in some other file. So far I have seen no new > alleged NV in the new version which was not there in the old version. So > are we going to have to learn all the thousands of new names given to new > snps by approximately a dozen different snp naming agencies? I'm about > ready to drop out of this group hobby because of ftdna and just finish the > work on my own two grandfather lines. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:16 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i ; genealogy-dna > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Beware - BIG Y results being altered > > I have just seen four members of the I-M223 Project appear in the Received > Results list Big Y results. All four have previously received results. On > look at their Big Y results, I see the number of their Novel Variants have > been reduced by over half, in the case of one member his High and Medium > confidence Novels have gone from 269 down to 68. WTF is going on at FTDNA. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carl, L41 is a defining SNP for haplogroup I, which includes both I1 and I2. However, L41 is located only 3 bases away from L75, which is positive only for I1. Thus, in the usual chip design for checking L41 there is a mismatch 3 bases away for I1 samples, but not for I2 samples. This mismatch seems to cause no-calls for L41 in I1 people when a chip is used. This is not a problem when Sanger sequencing is used. So FTDNA is indeed wrong if they have moved L41 from I to I2 Full Genomes shows also my I1-Z138 sample to be positive for L104, so maybe both I1 and I2 are positive for this SNP. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Mats Ahlgren <ma.ahlgren@telia.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have the same experience, with L104, and I'm I1 (and Yfull has given me a > new clade I-Y3601. I can't find L104 in my Yfull documentation, might > wonder > how FTDNA can find it but not Yfull. > > L41 seems to be found in almost all samples under I1 (Yfull group I1-L22) > > Mats > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Sheffield" <clsheff3@comcast.net> > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:31 PM > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L41 > > > > Ken, > > > > In January 2013 you had a dialog with Obed Odom about no-calls of L41 > > among > > I1 members but not I2 members. FTDNA's new tree moves L41 from the I > > stem > > to the I2 stem. If you look at my BigY results, I am positive for the > I1 > > branch and for L41. Is this a clue that proves the FTDNA tree is wrong > or > > does it mean something else? I am also positive for L104, deep inside > of > > I2, but negative for everything between L41 and L104. I interpret L104+ > > as > > a private mutation in my line which just happens to match the I2 L104. > > Can > > you think of other explanations? > > > > Carl Sheffield > > Kit #123861 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did you see my just released message? I noticed same thing in I1. I have put new and old version of someone's NVs side by side, and using some criterion they have stripped out a large fraction of the old NVs and I assume have them showing up in some other file. So far I have seen no new alleged NV in the new version which was not there in the old version. So are we going to have to learn all the thousands of new names given to new snps by approximately a dozen different snp naming agencies? I'm about ready to drop out of this group hobby because of ftdna and just finish the work on my own two grandfather lines. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:16 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i ; genealogy-dna Subject: [yDNAhgI] Beware - BIG Y results being altered I have just seen four members of the I-M223 Project appear in the Received Results list Big Y results. All four have previously received results. On look at their Big Y results, I see the number of their Novel Variants have been reduced by over half, in the case of one member his High and Medium confidence Novels have gone from 269 down to 68. WTF is going on at FTDNA. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems ftdna has begun to screw up (I mean change some apples into oranges or broccoli) their BigY data presentation. A few people who had BigY results released months ago, each with about 300 novel variants or so, just had their BigY results “released” again today. But now, on rerelease, they only show about 110 “novel variants” each. I would guess, although have not checked yet, that 2/3 of their old “novel variants” have been moved into their “known snps” files because someone somewhere has given these NVs names. This makes it extremely inefficient to now compare BigY results for peoples’ results of before and of after this change. Or alternatively, any research spreadsheets developed with the old categorization will have to some how have to be altered to take into account that about 2/3 the NVs now are in a different collection. ftdna said they would discuss this with us before doing this, but apparently they forgot to do so. I wrote the new head technical fellow at ftdna months ago pointing out what a mess just such a move would produce. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Hi Wayne, I find the following listed as L1198+ and Z180-: 127052 McCall 260237 Braz N18172 Fleet 289551 Goeke 173448 Norris Weldon On 5/29/14, 3:14 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: > Re: [yDNAhgI] Three new SNP's for CTS6433 (Cont2a) (Wayne R. Roberts) > From: > "Wayne R. Roberts" <i.m223.roberts@gmail.com> > Date: > 5/29/14, 3:09 PM > > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > > > Good morning Weldon. > > Could you let me know what entries in the spreadsheet show L1198+ and > Z180-, thanks. > > Smeaton is the member that tested Z180+ and L1198- thus showing Z180 is > upstream of L1198. BTW, Geno 2.0 did not include L1198 and unless people > have tested for L1198, they will only show Z171, Z185, Z180, Z166, Z187, > Z190 depending on which were derived. > > Wayne > > > To contact the Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I list administrator, send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I mailing list, send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Ken, In January 2013 you had a dialog with Obed Odom about no-calls of L41 among I1 members but not I2 members. FTDNA's new tree moves L41 from the I stem to the I2 stem. If you look at my BigY results, I am positive for the I1 branch and for L41. Is this a clue that proves the FTDNA tree is wrong or does it mean something else? I am also positive for L104, deep inside of I2, but negative for everything between L41 and L104. I interpret L104+ as a private mutation in my line which just happens to match the I2 L104. Can you think of other explanations? Carl Sheffield Kit #123861

Ken, In January 2013 you had a dialog with Obed Odom about no-calls of L41 among I1 members but not I2 members. FTDNA's new tree moves L41 from the I stem to the I2 stem. If you look at my BigY results, I am positive for the I1 branch and for L41. Is this a clue that proves the FTDNA tree is wrong or does it mean something else? I am also positive for L104, deep inside of I2, but negative for everything between L41 and L104. I interpret L104+ as a private mutation in my line which just happens to match the I2 L104. Can you think of other explanations? Carl Sheffield Kit #123861

Hi Wayne, You just posted that Z180 was upstream from L1198, but I see several entries in the M223 spreadheet that show L1198+ and Z180-. Is the Cont1 sequence perhaps ...Z185->L1198->Z180->Z166...? Weldon Smith

Heard a lot about Big Y results generating new branches in I1. That's cool. It's been dead air on I2. Not sure if that's because of no I2 Big Y results released or no one is as good as Ken at analyzing them. Ken is pretty awesome. Thanks Ken! Then static over the air waves crackled into a scant report of M233 related updates. Scant, because there was little other than 'this group test this snp' to the update. I'd like more understanding about these new SNP's. I've been burned in the past ordering SNP's only to find they're equivalent. The following three SNP's were reported to come out of Geno 2.0 and Big Y, whatever that means, and were recommended to CTS6433 (Cont2a) members: PF3292 CTS7010 CTS5332 (possibly not offered yet by FTDNA, cause they suck) So what's the deal with these SNP's? In the old days, like a year ago, when a new SNP came out this distribution was abuzz with chatter. We need people from CTS6433 to test these, they'd say. Someone from this clade should test first, they'd say. It was all so exciting, I could hardly wait to read the next message. Now I barely get more than 'test this.' Who is positive for these SNP's? Who's negative? Who has ordered them? Are there any STR markers that tag these SNPs? Ryan (losing interest fast, someone fan the flames)

Ryan, there are a lot of novel SNPs to be discovered with these NGS (Next Generation) types of discovery tests. The challenge, I think, is the number of people doing NGS testing in and around your cluster. Invariably, blocks of phylogenetic equivalent SNPs show up. However, if no one near your cluster is testing, you may see little change in knowledge of the tree. You'll just have a long list of SNPs that appear to be "private." We have to think more about subgroup recruiting and test planning. Mike W On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Holmes, Ryan D. (KSC-SAD20) < ryan.d.holmes@nasa.gov> wrote: > Heard a lot about Big Y results generating new branches in I1. That's > cool. It's been dead air on I2. Not sure if that's because of no I2 Big Y > results released or no one is as good as Ken at analyzing them. Ken is > pretty awesome. Thanks Ken! Then static over the air waves crackled into > a scant report of M233 related updates. Scant, because there was little > other than 'this group test this snp' to the update. I'd like more > understanding about these new SNP's. I've been burned in the past ordering > SNP's only to find they're equivalent. The following three SNP's were > reported to come out of Geno 2.0 and Big Y, whatever that means, and were > recommended to CTS6433 (Cont2a) members: > > PF3292 > CTS7010 > CTS5332 (possibly not offered yet by FTDNA, cause they suck) > > So what's the deal with these SNP's? In the old days, like a year ago, > when a new SNP came out this distribution was abuzz with chatter. We need > people from CTS6433 to test these, they'd say. Someone from this clade > should test first, they'd say. It was all so exciting, I could hardly wait > to read the next message. Now I barely get more than 'test this.' > > Who is positive for these SNP's? Who's negative? Who has ordered them? > Are there any STR markers that tag these SNPs? > > Ryan (losing interest fast, someone fan the flames) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is good news Carl. I hope your results will reveal some interesting secrets for this area of the I tree. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Carl Sheffield <clsheff3@comcast.net>wrote: > The BigY results for kit #123861 (Sheffield) that Gail Matheson promoted > have come in. Ken Nordtvedt has received the .csv files and added it to > his database. I am not as knowledgeable as many members are. I would be > glad to send the downloaded files to any interested members, especially the > ones who help contribute to the test. Like others, my M-253 designation > has > been changed to L-750. Carl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kit #123861, which is DF29-, is CTS8394+ G->A mutation -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Obed W Odom Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:18 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have it. > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The BigY results for kit #123861 (Sheffield) that Gail Matheson promoted have come in. Ken Nordtvedt has received the .csv files and added it to his database. I am not as knowledgeable as many members are. I would be glad to send the downloaded files to any interested members, especially the ones who help contribute to the test. Like others, my M-253 designation has been changed to L-750. Carl

I think it is important to remember that should people choose to test an SNP with Yseq, they need to ask for a sampling kit to be sent to them, then send back a sample for testing. This could take some weeks depending on which country people live. I do not think most people would like their remaining samples at FTDNA to be transferred over to Yseq though I think this is an option that is available, I may be wrong. Also your result at one company is not transferable to another company. I'm not saying don't test with this one or that one or both, just to be aware of possible issues. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:32 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I think you are perhaps missing your coffee this morning? Rules are not to > quote prices. I did not. I do not get royalties from anyone; I hardly get > interest from my bank on savings account. > > If Didier is to intervene, I would think it would be concerning your highly > personalized complaining about me. > > It is an important fact for hobbyists to learn that so far yseq has given > customers test results for ysnps much faster than the other company. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: nicolas.taban > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:01 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Two I1 sectors, L338 and Z138, have new snps for > sale > > I am sorry but with all respect to both you Ken and Yseq, I feel you are > going too far now. > These messages give me the impression your getting royalties for each time > you write Yseq. > I guess Didier should have already intervened. > > I share your frustration with FTDNA, but please keep to the good hobby jobb > you are otherwise doing. > > Ps: to be complete, may be you should mention that in order to propose a > new > SNP to Yseq, one has to pay a 1$ fee. > > > Mvh/Regards > > Nicolas Taban > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > Date:27/05/2014 17:26 (GMT+01:00) > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Two I1 sectors, L338 and Z138, have new snps for sale > > It is so refreshing to see the quick response time of www.yseq.net so far > for individual ysnp orders. Hope this continues. > FTDNA seems to continue its agonizing long delays in doing ysnp tests of > either kind, individual or group. > > The two BigY trees, “BigYtree-Z138” and “BigYtree-L338 AS1” in I1, found at > my websites link below, have a good number of green snps indicated. These > are downstream snps from BigY which www.yseq.net will test individually > for > a decent price. > > If your dna haplotype suggests you are close to either of these tree > regions, I recommend ordering some of these downstream snps. In both these > sectors we are entering the historical or genealogical era. > > If you see ysnps in these trees not yet green but which you think would be > informative for you, ask www.yseq.net if they will add them to their > catalog. Send them y location number (most important) and “name” if it has > one. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Then perhaps reason a person is called cts8394+ is because his M253 for some reason did not get a positive read? But I would think they would then divert to P30 or M307 or P40 or some other historic equivalent for I1? ftdna never ceases to puzzle me. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:03 AM To: YDNA-Rootsweb Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? The ISOGG 2014 I tree has S62 and S64 in the string of SNPs showing after "I1" - so, for example, before DF29. Yes, phyloequivalent to M253. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Then where do S64 and S62 sit in the tree? Phyloequivalent to M253 or > not? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:43 AM > To: YDNA-Rootsweb > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? > > My FGC results have CTS8394+/Z2818 in the vicinity of S64+/L124 and > S62+/L121. > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Obed W Odom <owodom@utexas.edu> wrote: > > > It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A > > mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have it. > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The ISOGG 2014 I tree has S62 and S64 in the string of SNPs showing after "I1" - so, for example, before DF29. Yes, phyloequivalent to M253. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Then where do S64 and S62 sit in the tree? Phyloequivalent to M253 or not? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:43 AM > To: YDNA-Rootsweb > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? > > My FGC results have CTS8394+/Z2818 in the vicinity of S64+/L124 and > S62+/L121. > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Obed W Odom <owodom@utexas.edu> wrote: > > > It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A > > mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Then where do S64 and S62 sit in the tree? Phyloequivalent to M253 or not? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: william.archerd.sr@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:43 AM To: YDNA-Rootsweb Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? My FGC results have CTS8394+/Z2818 in the vicinity of S64+/L124 and S62+/L121. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Obed W Odom <owodom@utexas.edu> wrote: > It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A > mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have > it. > > > > > > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any I1 not have it? It is strange ftdna called this someone's terminal snp rather than M253? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:17 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] cts8394???? It looks like most of I1, including I1-Z131 and I1-DF29, has this G to A mutation, but several I2 samples in the 1000 Genomes project do not have it. > > > Where does CTS8394 sit in the I1 tree? > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message